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The Scope – Amarr Empire releases new technology
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#21 - 2015-05-29 18:42:20 UTC
So much for "the Amarr Empire never breaks any treaties, but respects them", I guess.
Silvox Lunae
Perkone
Caldari State
#22 - 2015-05-29 18:44:36 UTC
Nortal Aldent wrote:
What are these other instances you speak of?


The distribution of highly unstable clone soldiers followed by the redistribution of a modified, safer variant created by the Amarr Empire and the Terran super weapon that routed the Minmatar Fleet are what I am referring to.
WarFireV
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2015-05-29 18:49:56 UTC
There is only ONE true empire in New Eden!
Nakami Saans
Conclave of Independent Pilots
#24 - 2015-05-29 19:07:33 UTC
My, my, my, a Terran super weapon, advanced clone soldiers, and now a new type of super shielding. What will you pull out of Pandora's Box next Empress Jamyl. I don't trust you but as an explorer I will keep my mind open. You never know what you'll find in deep space.

Very interesting indeed.

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Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#25 - 2015-05-29 21:36:10 UTC
The threat must be terribly dire if Her Imperial Majesty believes it necessary to break our word to the interstellar community. May God forgive us for this sin committed in defense of His creations.
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#26 - 2015-05-29 21:51:18 UTC
I doubt this is enough to bring peace to null sec and unite the capsuleers under the Empress' banner. Some eggers out there may even hate Jamyl for trying to bring peace to null sec.
...Maybe she's got some more tricks up her sleeve.

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Avio Yaken
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#27 - 2015-05-29 21:54:42 UTC
Hell the entire goonswarm federation believes Jamly is the false ruler

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Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#28 - 2015-05-29 22:08:24 UTC
Avio Yaken wrote:
Hell the entire goonswarm federation believes Jamly is the false ruler

And she just handed them Uber shielding for their structures..... I think she may be taking the whole "Your enemies teach you to build walls." Proverb a bit too literally.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Jili Tonari
Doomheim
#29 - 2015-05-29 22:58:14 UTC
Avio Yaken wrote:
i swear this thread better not turn into some amarr vs minmatar debate otherwise im gonna be really....upset...and...im not sure..what il do...because....Um.....i can't do anything so...just..Please don't



Ok..


But I like that part in the ticker where it says, "24th Imperial Crusade continues to lose ground to Tribal Liberation Force."

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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#30 - 2015-05-30 00:20:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Deitra Vess
How dare they break a CONCORD treaty!!! Oh wait.. Not that shocking. How dare they give out technology we're all going to most likely abuse! No, don't see a problem with this...
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2015-05-30 01:43:11 UTC
Funny,


I say that the Empire needs to start acting Imperial again and not bow down to outdated and oppressive CONCORD treaties and I'm a complete nutter.

Empress Jamyl says it and...

Ok, bad example.

But I have been saying that the Empire bows only to God and not CONCORD for a while. I'm glad at least someone agrees with me.

I noticed that the tech is from a combined "Amarr and Lai Dai" effort. That generally means Khanid. And it probably means the State should have this tech online shortly.

I also noticed in the ticker that the Republic is demanding more regulation over the Scope over the Tukoss broadcast. Hmmm...I wonder what has them so scared that they would try to limit something that's so "essential to freedom?" At least the Scope is fighting back against CONCORD in the legal arena.

And what on Athra is going on over in Hagilur? SCC people arrested? By whom? Why?

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Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#32 - 2015-05-30 02:00:53 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
And what on Athra is going on over in Hagilur? SCC people arrested? By whom? Why?


Arrested by the Republic. There is a connection to the terrorist attacks, seeing as Hagilur was one of the affected systems. I have inquiries out right now but I'm getting stonewalled by bureaucracy. The Why of it is not being widely discussed....I am going to be reminding all personnel of mine in the area to remain vigilant. CONCORD is up to something....
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#33 - 2015-05-30 02:07:54 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Funny,


I say that the Empire needs to start acting Imperial again and not bow down to outdated and oppressive CONCORD treaties and I'm a complete nutter.

Empress Jamyl says it and...

Ok, bad example.

But I have been saying that the Empire bows only to God and not CONCORD for a while. I'm glad at least someone agrees with me.


Maybe integrity is not as valued in the Kingdom, but in Amarr we believe in honoring our commitments. Deception is a sin.

His Holiness Heideran VII signed those treaties in good faith on behalf of Amarr and God. That makes CONCORD treaties as binding as any Imperial decree. While there are issues with the way CONCORD is managed, and these issues must be fixed, it is not appropriate for us to break our word to the other members of the interstellar community. To do so is an insult to our integrity, and to God.

If this is a violation of treaties, then the threat must be very severe. No other reason could justify breaking our word.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#34 - 2015-05-30 05:38:46 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:

If this is a violation of treaties, then the threat must be very severe. No other reason could justify breaking our word.


I do remember saying much the same thing to you about the Caldari breach of treaty in order to reclaim Home. You were somewhat dismissive. "A treaty is a treaty is a treaty!" you told me. Except when it's expedient, obviously.

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Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#35 - 2015-05-30 05:59:35 UTC
What I said to you was that if you break your word, then you prove that your word means nothing, and so you should think very very hard about whether breaking your word is really worth it. You argued that you believed breaking your treaty was worth it, but you do have to live with the consequence of Caldari honor no longer being respected. And there should have been other punishments enforced by CONCORD, as well, though they have a habit of not doing this.

I don't like this violation. But it is the will of Her Imperial Majesty, which means it is the will of God. That means it must be an extremely serious matter.

I expect that we will be punished for this violation and I pray that Her Imperial Majesty will permit that punishment, just as she did when she allowed the Federation to punish His Highness Kador for illegally crossing Federal borders. If we are going to break our word, then we must be willing to accept the consequences for doing so.
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2015-05-30 13:18:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Sinjin Mokk
Samira Kernher wrote:
What I said to you was that if you break your word, then you prove that your word means nothing, and so you should think very very hard about whether breaking your word is really worth it. You argued that you believed breaking your treaty was worth it, but you do have to live with the consequence of Caldari honor no longer being respected. And there should have been other punishments enforced by CONCORD, as well, though they have a habit of not doing this.

I don't like this violation. But it is the will of Her Imperial Majesty, which means it is the will of God. That means it must be an extremely serious matter.

I expect that we will be punished for this violation and I pray that Her Imperial Majesty will permit that punishment, just as she did when she allowed the Federation to punish His Highness Kador for illegally crossing Federal borders. If we are going to break our word, then we must be willing to accept the consequences for doing so.




You realize that you just said that the Word of God means nothing, right? If you break your word....Jamyl's will is the Will of God...

I'll assume it was an error.

There have been instances in history when the person on the throne was "removed" for the betterment of the Empire and said "removal" was neatly explained as being the Will of God.

I find it ironic, that my father and many of the other Old Guard who defended the Kingdom against the Empire were not happy with Khanid's eventual "reconciliation." It was felt that we could easily stand alone as a sovereign government. Now it may be that Khanid's unfinished work may be to save the Empire from itself....as Emperor. Who else has the strength and power to bind together the Houses of the Empire and bring it all forward?

Ah....just musing. It's all broken now, you're right Samira.

An Empire of shreds and patches.

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Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#37 - 2015-05-30 13:39:01 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
The threat must be terribly dire if Her Imperial Majesty believes it necessary to break our word to the interstellar community. May God forgive us for this sin committed in defense of His creations.

I'm sorry Mrs Kernher, but no. It would have been far more greater sin to sit and do absolutely nothing when you know what needs to be done.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#38 - 2015-05-30 14:11:05 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
So much for "the Amarr Empire never breaks any treaties, but respects them", I guess.


It could be argued that the treaty in question was already dead.

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Kithrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2015-05-30 14:29:36 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
So much for "the Amarr Empire never breaks any treaties, but respects them", I guess.


It could be argued that the treaty in question was already dead.


Id argue that it was the reporters speculation as Concord has not released a statement on the matter. No one who has the right and knowledge to accuse the Empress has done so.

Even if they have realistically it renders the station bashing in null sec impossible, countless lives of station hands and residence have been saved.

This isn't a weapon that kills, try to remember that.

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Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#40 - 2015-05-30 14:46:47 UTC
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
The threat must be terribly dire if Her Imperial Majesty believes it necessary to break our word to the interstellar community. May God forgive us for this sin committed in defense of His creations.

I'm sorry Mrs Kernher, but no. It would have been far more greater sin to sit and do absolutely nothing when you know what needs to be done.


I believe that is my superior's point. That it is a grave threat that has forced the Empress' hand. If treaties have been found to be broken, we must accept there may be consequences for that, but regardless Her Imperial Majesty saw in her wisdom that something needed to be done. A lesser of two evils, by some margin.

None of us true and faithful servants of God are questioning the Divine Empress' decision for she works with the mandate of God, but Lt Kernher has a point that we must still accept our word has none the less been tarnished by this act. I, for one, will accept this as part of the cost of defending ourselves from greater threats.

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