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why do players stay in npc corps?

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1161 - 2015-05-30 00:09:39 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
It's not CCPs place to force them out, it's the player corps place to make it an interesting and exciting option to staying in NPC.


Except for the part where CCP gives player corps so little to offer.

That's their problem, and they need to get around to fixing it. That will mean a big net nerf to NPC corps, once CCP finds the spine to do it. And just like the ISBotters, the NPC corp carebears will cry and howl, but their time of standing in the way of improving the game will finally be at an end.


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It's all you whiners in high sec corps not willing to take new players under your wing that's the real problem here. You don't want to do that, it seems. What you want is new players being forced to make one man and small corps of inexperienced players so you can practice the manly art of war griefing for your own risk averse pleasure.


I was an awoxer for a long time before CCP decided it wasn't going to be allowed anymore, and as a result I have been in more corps than probably anyone in this thread.

The "griefing" corps you are frothing about? They are the friendly, welcoming, helpful ones, the ones who take newbies under their wing and teach them all about the game. You claim otherwise to perpetuate a lie for your own selfish benefit.

Quote:

So stop with the ranting and raging and start doing something about it.


We are, and we always have been. But CCP's PvE centric, boredom oriented design for highsec makes that an uphill battle. Something carebear chickenshits like you work so hard to defend.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#1162 - 2015-05-30 00:21:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Aza Ebanu wrote:
Joe Risalo wrote:
Well, it's not just to harass new players.
They also like to use it to harass miner, missioners, traders, and other non-direct PVP.

Though, some wardecs are used for good reasons.
I once used a war dec against a mining corp filled with alts that was mining every asteroid belt within 3 jumps, everyday.
9-10 characters, all with the same names and a number.

It was very likely that this person was macro-mining with these characters, as no human being has the tolerance or dedication to mine out several asteroid belts, on a daily basis, from down time to down time.

Though, we did suicide gank a few of his ships before we war decced him. the suicide ganks were enough to force him out of the system, but we wanted to make sure he stayed as far away as possible.

That kind of thing should be policed by game developers not players.
It is policed by CCP, they regularly ban macro and bot users and encourage us to report them. Using player reports as intelligence probably cuts down on the number crunching and they have no problem with us, the players, disrupting the activities of suspect players.

The alternative to CCPs approach would be something like Warden or Punkbuster, both of which are invasive and neither of which works particularly well as evidenced by the amount of cheating that goes on in games that use them.

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Yuri Ostrovskoy
Doomheim
#1163 - 2015-05-30 00:22:11 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
It's not CCPs place to force them out, it's the player corps place to make it an interesting and exciting option to staying in NPC.


Except for the part where CCP gives player corps so little to offer.

That's their problem, and they need to get around to fixing it. That will mean a big net nerf to NPC corps, once CCP finds the spine to do it. And just like the ISBotters, the NPC corp carebears will cry and howl, but their time of standing in the way of improving the game will finally be at an end.


Quote:

It's all you whiners in high sec corps not willing to take new players under your wing that's the real problem here. You don't want to do that, it seems. What you want is new players being forced to make one man and small corps of inexperienced players so you can practice the manly art of war griefing for your own risk averse pleasure.


I was an awoxer for a long time before CCP decided it wasn't going to be allowed anymore, and as a result I have been in more corps than probably anyone in this thread.

The "griefing" corps you are frothing about? They are the friendly, welcoming, helpful ones, the ones who take newbies under their wing and teach them all about the game. You claim otherwise to perpetuate a lie for your own selfish benefit.

Quote:

So stop with the ranting and raging and start doing something about it.


We are, and we always have been. But CCP's PvE centric, boredom oriented design for highsec makes that an uphill battle. Something carebear chickenshits like you work so hard to defend.


Again with the CareBear thing. No ones cared enough to share with this bear, so how is that slight relevant?
Solstice Punk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1164 - 2015-05-30 00:25:27 UTC

I object.

They are people who do not wish to defend themselves.
Calling people carebears is too vague and not actually hinting at the right people.

A more descriptive approach is preferrable and gives less ground for an attack.


Thanks.

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#1165 - 2015-05-30 00:30:58 UTC
Solstice Punk wrote:


Calling people carebears is too vague and not actually hinting at the right people.



Check me out
I'm a big bear
And really, I care
So, would you dare...

to call me the right people?

Mr Epeen Cool
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#1166 - 2015-05-30 00:37:49 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
It's not CCPs place to force them out, it's the player corps place to make it an interesting and exciting option to staying in NPC.


Except for the part where CCP gives player corps so little to offer.

That's their problem, and they need to get around to fixing it. That will mean a big net nerf to NPC corps, once CCP finds the spine to do it. And just like the ISBotters, the NPC corp carebears will cry and howl, but their time of standing in the way of improving the game will finally be at an end.


Quote:

It's all you whiners in high sec corps not willing to take new players under your wing that's the real problem here. You don't want to do that, it seems. What you want is new players being forced to make one man and small corps of inexperienced players so you can practice the manly art of war griefing for your own risk averse pleasure.


I was an awoxer for a long time before CCP decided it wasn't going to be allowed anymore, and as a result I have been in more corps than probably anyone in this thread.

The "griefing" corps you are frothing about? They are the friendly, welcoming, helpful ones, the ones who take newbies under their wing and teach them all about the game. You claim otherwise to perpetuate a lie for your own selfish benefit.

Quote:

So stop with the ranting and raging and start doing something about it.


We are, and we always have been. But CCP's PvE centric, boredom oriented design for highsec makes that an uphill battle. Something carebear chickenshits like you work so hard to defend.


Is there anything more carebear than being a CODE logistic pilot?

Mr Epeen Cool
Solstice Punk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1167 - 2015-05-30 00:38:30 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Solstice Punk wrote:


Calling people carebears is too vague and not actually hinting at the right people.



Check me out
I'm a big bear
And really, I care
So, would you dare...

to call me the right people?

Mr Epeen Cool

Hi the right people.
I have no idea what you want. You're not a carebear and you can defend yourself.
You are also not identifying yourself with your spacechar.

Just saying that carebear as a term is of no use. It actually helps them when people use it.
It needs to be dropped ASAP and replaced with something more descriptive.


They are people who do not wish to defend themselves.
That's so much more accurate on so, so many levels.

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Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1168 - 2015-05-30 00:46:45 UTC
Care bears shoot lasers out of their belly.

I shoot lasers out of my ship.

If you use lasers you are a Care bear.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#1169 - 2015-05-30 00:48:45 UTC
Solstice Punk wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Solstice Punk wrote:


Calling people carebears is too vague and not actually hinting at the right people.



Check me out
I'm a big bear
And really, I care
So, would you dare...

to call me the right people?

Mr Epeen Cool

Hi the right people.
I have no idea what you want. You're not a carebear and you can defend yourself.
You are also not identifying yourself with your spacechar.

Just saying that carebear as a term is of no use. It actually helps them when people use it.
It needs to be dropped ASAP and replaced with something more descriptive.


They are people who do not wish to defend themselves.
That's so much more accurate on so, so many levels.


I was just prattling on. I hadn't actually spoken to this iteration of you yet and that's the best I could come up with on short notice.

But since we're on the topic. I call them the SRA (Severely Risk Averse). I think it's a better description of what we have here in EVE as opposed to the traditional MMO carebear.

Mr Epeen Cool
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1170 - 2015-05-30 00:49:05 UTC
Why would they want to defend? Why not evade? Is there an obligation to a course of action? If there is why do other courses of action exist?

Are we dealing with people who don't want to defend themselves? Probably. Why is that an issue?
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1171 - 2015-05-30 00:55:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Joe Risalo
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Except for the part where CCP gives player corps so little to offer.

That's their problem, and they need to get around to fixing it. That will mean a big net nerf to NPC corps, once CCP finds the spine to do it. And just like the ISBotters, the NPC corp carebears will cry and howl, but their time of standing in the way of improving the game will finally be at an end.


So wait... You sit here and request more restrictions to NPC corps in order to force players into player corps, then turn around and say that CCP doesn't provide the corps much to offer...
You need to figure out what your trying to suggest... Nerf NPC corps or make player corps better?

Oh, and how exactly are NPC corp players standing in the way of improving gameplay?
You seem to have some knowledge that no one else shares...
Is it the changes to war decs and awoxing that are the fault of NPC carebears?
No... that can't be it, they're not in player corps so that crap doesn't matter to them....

Nope... I got nothing.... You're full of crap..


Quote:

I was an awoxer for a long time before CCP decided it wasn't going to be allowed anymore, and as a result I have been in more corps than probably anyone in this thread.

The "griefing" corps you are frothing about? They are the friendly, welcoming, helpful ones, the ones who take newbies under their wing and teach them all about the game. You claim otherwise to perpetuate a lie for your own selfish benefit.


Present the evidence to support this...
The "griefing" corps you so claim are willing to take on new player are friendly, welcoming, and helpful, are only so until you join their corp... Then they pop you and kick you from corp...

Am I wrong? Who knows... Do you have any evidence to say otherwise?
No?
Well then, your claims that others are lieing is nothing more than YOU attempting to perpetuate YOUR agenda.

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We are, and we always have been. But CCP's PvE centric, boredom oriented design for highsec makes that an uphill battle. Something carebear chickenshits like you work so hard to defend.


So wait...
The fact that I mine, or mission, or whatever PVE centric activity I focus on seems to break your game, I have a suggestion.

LTP or GTFO....

It's laughable how much you claim carebears and highsec are to blame for your lack of combat...

Perhaps it's cause you're a chickenshit, high sec carebear hunter?
There are plenty of people in low, null, and WH space that very much enjoy your style of play.

What's the matter? You scared?
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1172 - 2015-05-30 00:59:52 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Why would they want to defend? Why not evade? Is there an obligation to a course of action? If there is why do other courses of action exist?

Are we dealing with people who don't want to defend themselves? Probably. Why is that an issue?



Because declaring war on a corp who doesn't want to be at war confuses the ones declaring the war.

And this makes them salty and forces them to make posts.


So how many times have we chased our tail around the beaten dead horse.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1173 - 2015-05-30 01:09:54 UTC
Joe Risalo wrote:

You need to figure out what your trying to suggest... Nerf NPC corps or make player corps better?


Those two things are equivalent. Personally, I'd like to see both happen.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1174 - 2015-05-30 01:12:17 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Joe Risalo wrote:

You need to figure out what your trying to suggest... Nerf NPC corps or make player corps better?


Those two things are equivalent. Personally, I'd like to see both happen.



Aaaaand completely ignore the rest of my comments because you can't think of a way to twist them to what you want.

NPC corps are fine...

Don't like it?
Don't play.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1175 - 2015-05-30 01:14:53 UTC
Joe Risalo wrote:

Aaaaand completely ignore the rest of my comments because you can't think of a way to twist them to what you want.


No, I ignored them because you're just rambling like a derelict.

Quote:

NPC corps are fine...


No, they're not. They're going to eat a fairly heavy nerf in the fairly near future, I suspect.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Yuri Ostrovskoy
Doomheim
#1176 - 2015-05-30 01:28:38 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Joe Risalo wrote:

Aaaaand completely ignore the rest of my comments because you can't think of a way to twist them to what you want.


No, I ignored them because you're just rambling like a derelict.

Quote:

NPC corps are fine...


No, they're not. They're going to eat a fairly heavy nerf in the fairly near future, I suspect.


Which in turn will do nothing more then prompt player corps to have even more ridiculous standards to get in due to the high traffic fleeing npc corps. 48 hour wait periods, down payments, ******** 3 part interviews which mostly consist of "are you a spy? Are you a stream sniper? Which hand do you wipe your arse with?" Etc etc.

The problem never was the npc corps, it's always been the players, and that won't change, no matter what "data" Ccp pulls out of the void.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1177 - 2015-05-30 01:32:01 UTC
Yuri Ostrovskoy wrote:

Which in turn will do nothing more then prompt player corps to have even more ridiculous standards to get in due to the high traffic fleeing npc corps.


My first thought upon reading that sentence.

Your ranting afterwards? Well, that's a whole different meme.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Yuri Ostrovskoy
Doomheim
#1178 - 2015-05-30 01:35:02 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Yuri Ostrovskoy wrote:

Which in turn will do nothing more then prompt player corps to have even more ridiculous standards to get in due to the high traffic fleeing npc corps.


My first thought upon reading that sentence.

Your ranting afterwards? Well, that's a whole different meme.


See, people exactly like you. You're nothing more then living proof of why we want nothing to do with your corps. Don't even bothering responding, the points been made, and you truly have no counterpoint worth offering.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1179 - 2015-05-30 01:39:03 UTC
Yuri Ostrovskoy wrote:

See, people exactly like you. You're nothing more then living proof of why we want nothing to do with your corps. Don't even bothering responding, the points been made, and you truly have no counterpoint worth offering.


The really funny part is that I wouldn't willingly associate with the likes of you, either. You're so much more useful as targets instead.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1180 - 2015-05-30 01:44:19 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Yuri Ostrovskoy wrote:

See, people exactly like you. You're nothing more then living proof of why we want nothing to do with your corps. Don't even bothering responding, the points been made, and you truly have no counterpoint worth offering.


The really funny part is that I wouldn't willingly associate with the likes of you, either. You're so much more useful as targets instead.


Ahh poor boy is gonna lose targets if things don't go his way.
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