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Why does everyone (sort of) want to making mining easier?
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#161 - 2011-12-28 20:59:37 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:

1. Drone Poop is a huge mineral faucet


In NULL.

Go after THEM.

The Drone Poop in High is PATHETIC.

Please GROW brains...........PLEASE.


I like alloys in high sec .. it makes me sad that it will get removed eventually.. But than again new faction modules and other loot + bounty.. uniqueness is gone.. however being unique is not always for the best.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#162 - 2011-12-28 21:00:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Shag Sheep wrote:
^I agree.

Isn't it interesting how the people who argue against the rebalancing the mining profession or making the ships harder to gank, are as a majority the type who hate mining. Hate it because of the boredom or low pay... it's not their play style.

Their arguments are based on their play style. That's why they can't understand I guess. They can't come to grips with the idea that the type of player who likes mining doesn't enjoy the things they do.



'Tis a curious, almost psychopathic phenomena.

Personally, I don't care WHAT people do ingame, I hate not one profession over another. IT IS A SANDBOX !!

And where on Earth in their tiny little minds they get this infantile notion to 'hate' another's playstyle...personally IT IS NONE OF THIER BUSINESS.

And it seems to me they are just BORED and don't want to really figure out this game and how it is played well.

Welp, their time is coming. When they turn 46 years old, they will look back and go OMG if they are not in the 80% of them by then burned out on Rockstar and Chetoh-Dust clogging the arteries while walking home from yet another Rehab or Institution.

ROFL. They will look back on their pathetic lives, if they are smart enough to survive to 46 that is.

I doubt. Really I do.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#163 - 2011-12-28 21:02:31 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:

I like alloys in high sec .. it makes me sad that it will get removed eventually.. But than again new faction modules and other loot + bounty.. uniqueness is gone.. however being unique is not always for the best.



Those alloys are pathetic in amount in High Sec. Waste of ISK Earned/Hr.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#164 - 2011-12-28 21:03:45 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:

I like alloys in high sec .. it makes me sad that it will get removed eventually.. But than again new faction modules and other loot + bounty.. uniqueness is gone.. however being unique is not always for the best.



Those alloys are pathetic in amount in High Sec. Waste of ISK Earned/Hr.


not everything have to be about isk per hour Big smile
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#165 - 2011-12-28 21:08:09 UTC
Face it. This is all about Null-bears.

They want to mine (! YES) and Manufacture as the ingame Monopoly IN THEIR AREA with SLAVES with thier lazy playstyle anyway.

Look at the boring NOTHING crap going on in Null right now. One 'War in the North' is nada. THEY are BORED.

If there were anything going on down there, they would not be up here circle jerking all over Gallente.

CCP's fault for fracking Null. All of it. And not doing ANYTHING about it.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Endeavour Starfleet
#166 - 2011-12-28 21:47:50 UTC
Ok enough of the null and hisec group comparisons. We need solutions such as my boost hull HP idea.

I may post a topic in testing requesting a temporary implementation of my idea of Sisi for testing. If it is approved I hope you miners will log in and work to provide CCP with info on how it affects your survivability.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#167 - 2011-12-28 22:26:15 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Ok enough of the null and hisec group comparisons. We need solutions such as my boost hull HP idea.

No we don't. Your solution just feeds into the idea that miners should be able to play AFK and rely on CCP making mining vessels "safe".

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Minta Contha
Emergent Entity
#168 - 2011-12-28 23:49:55 UTC
I'm a miner.
I don't think mining should be made any easier than it already is. It's not hard to avoid ganking if you're clever, and if there was never any threat then mining would be so stultifyingly dull that I don't think I could cope with it.
There is NO NEED for "better" mining ships or modules. If people go into the mining profession, they should be aware of its limitations and either accept them, or do something else.

My cooking is like my lovemaking - fast, greasy, and unsatisfying.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#169 - 2011-12-29 00:16:50 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:

1. Drone Poop is a huge mineral faucet


In NULL.

Go after THEM.

The Drone Poop in High is PATHETIC.

Please GROW brains...........PLEASE.


People do. The Gunminers rat aligned and GTFO when threatened. Thus they have adapted to the threat of being ganked. Why is it too much to ask hisec miners to adapt a little?

Drone poop dropped in Null is an issue for all of EVE as evidenced by the fact that it killed mining income in *all* of Eve.

The base value of maxed out Hisec PvE is l4s at roughly 50m/hr. Something that falls below this needs a buff, something that trends above it needs a Nerf. (Mining maxes out at ~10m/hr, Incursions max at over 100m/hr. Both need alteration)

The base value of maxed out Nullsec PvE is anomaly farming at roughly 70-100m/hr. Something that falls below this needs a buff, something that trends above it needs a Nerf. (Mining maxes out at ~20-30m/hr clearing hidden belts (which you have to), and nothing really trends above that)

Drone anomalies in Null provide more mineral wealth (measured in m3) per hour than mining in a maxed out, Rorq boosted Hulk. They also produce a very high proportion of high ends. This means they directly compete with mining and they're strictly better at it (except Trit). This is probably not great for the miners of Eve.Roll

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#170 - 2011-12-29 01:34:38 UTC
Drone guts have barely dented mineral high sec prices according to my spreadsheets I wrote out four years ago. All it did was move the location of the ores and lowered the isk per hour to a measly 4.5 million. With veldspare and bistot leading the packs.

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Karthwritte
Trouble Seekers Incorporated
#171 - 2011-12-29 01:37:46 UTC
I am one of those who want it more harder, more fun and more rewarding.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#172 - 2011-12-29 02:28:00 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

'Tis a curious, almost psychopathic phenomena.

Personally, I don't care WHAT people do ingame, I hate not one profession over another. IT IS A SANDBOX !!

And where on Earth in their tiny little minds they get this infantile notion to 'hate' another's playstyle...personally IT IS NONE OF THIER BUSINESS.


GREAT, so you don't mind that some people's profession involves blowing up your ships while you're working on your profession. You're OK with the suicide ganking status quo, and as such you understand the idea behind Eve.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Karthwritte
Trouble Seekers Incorporated
#173 - 2011-12-29 02:55:00 UTC
Do Devs check the "Features & Ideas" in the forums or should I post "another idea for changing the mining mechanics" here in this thread or in another thread in EVE General...
Because I see a lot of threads here with devs but not there.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#174 - 2011-12-29 03:03:50 UTC
Karthwritte wrote:
Do Devs check the "Features & Ideas" in the forums or should I post "another idea for changing the mining mechanics" here in this thread or in another thread in EVE General...
Because I see a lot of threads here with devs but not there.


The Dev's post in the F&I forum threads with *good* ideas. They post in the GD forum threads with F&I Content pretty reliably:

"This Thread has been moved to F&I"

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Karthwritte
Trouble Seekers Incorporated
#175 - 2011-12-29 03:10:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Karthwritte
RubyPorto wrote:

The Dev's post in the F&I forum threads with *good* ideas. They post in the GD forum threads with F&I Content pretty reliably:

"This Thread has been moved to F&I"


Thanks, you made me make the right decision.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=51572
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#176 - 2011-12-29 17:23:09 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:

1. Drone Poop is a huge mineral faucet


In NULL.

Go after THEM.

The Drone Poop in High is PATHETIC.

Please GROW brains...........PLEASE.


People do. The Gunminers rat aligned and GTFO when threatened. Thus they have adapted to the threat of being ganked. Why is it too much to ask hisec miners to adapt a little?

Drone poop dropped in Null is an issue for all of EVE as evidenced by the fact that it killed mining income in *all* of Eve.

The base value of maxed out Hisec PvE is l4s at roughly 50m/hr. Something that falls below this needs a buff, something that trends above it needs a Nerf. (Mining maxes out at ~10m/hr, Incursions max at over 100m/hr. Both need alteration)

The base value of maxed out Nullsec PvE is anomaly farming at roughly 70-100m/hr. Something that falls below this needs a buff, something that trends above it needs a Nerf. (Mining maxes out at ~20-30m/hr clearing hidden belts (which you have to), and nothing really trends above that)

Drone anomalies in Null provide more mineral wealth (measured in m3) per hour than mining in a maxed out, Rorq boosted Hulk. They also produce a very high proportion of high ends. This means they directly compete with mining and they're strictly better at it (except Trit). This is probably not great for the miners of Eve.Roll



This is what some of us have been yelling about to CCP for years AND the CAM...to no avail whatsoever.

Thanks for the clarifying the issue with some number crinching...........

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#177 - 2011-12-29 17:25:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
RubyPorto wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

'Tis a curious, almost psychopathic phenomena.

Personally, I don't care WHAT people do ingame, I hate not one profession over another. IT IS A SANDBOX !!

And where on Earth in their tiny little minds they get this infantile notion to 'hate' another's playstyle...personally IT IS NONE OF THIER BUSINESS.


GREAT, so you don't mind that some people's profession involves blowing up your ships while you're working on your profession. You're OK with the suicide ganking status quo, and as such you understand the idea behind Eve.



I do indeed like the challenge of avoiding ganks. Mining would be TRULY boring then.

Issue is IT IS TOO EASY. That's all.

If you read the 'gankers' posts, you will realize their objective is utterly UNREALISTIC and INFANTILE: TO WIN ABSOLUTELY EVERY SINGLE TIME !!

It is CLEAR this is the goal.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#178 - 2011-12-30 08:10:15 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

'Tis a curious, almost psychopathic phenomena.

Personally, I don't care WHAT people do ingame, I hate not one profession over another. IT IS A SANDBOX !!

And where on Earth in their tiny little minds they get this infantile notion to 'hate' another's playstyle...personally IT IS NONE OF THIER BUSINESS.


GREAT, so you don't mind that some people's profession involves blowing up your ships while you're working on your profession. You're OK with the suicide ganking status quo, and as such you understand the idea behind Eve.



I do indeed like the challenge of avoiding ganks. Mining would be TRULY boring then.

Issue is IT IS TOO EASY. That's all.

If you read the 'gankers' posts, you will realize their objective is utterly UNREALISTIC and INFANTILE: TO WIN ABSOLUTELY EVERY SINGLE TIME !!

It is CLEAR this is the goal.


They loose 100% of the time. Most of the time they happen to make the miner lose as well.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#179 - 2012-01-04 14:35:23 UTC
BUMP.

This ain't over yet...............

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#180 - 2012-01-04 14:50:12 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
I am acutally one of the ones on the other side of the fence and want to make it alot harder.


With continued work on loot drop and reprocessing rates combined with more work on alloy reprocessing rates.

This hopefully would help bump the prices of minerals a bit to help swallow up more of the flow from all those faucets out there.


Slade