EVE General Discussion

An article in The Guardian on May 12th suggested (1) that over the years, Eve’s player-base culture has moved from being ‘a role-playing society’ (quote: ‘Players tended to be very sincere and to treat this fictional world with utmost seriousness’) to being more ‘aloof’, and (2) that it was the (grr) Goons who were responsible for this alleged shift.

Do people who’ve been around longer than I have agree with (1)? If they do, are there other, perhaps more important causes instead of or alongside the one mentioned in (2)?

I think that the majority of players treat the game the same as always, the null-sec blocks may have changed some but mostly just in name and who is in charge.

The story of EVE is the story of the people who make the game move forward, there is a reason why BOB (the alliance, not WH god) is still remembered but there are hundreds (if not thousands) of small HS corps that no one but a handful remember or cared about.

dont blame goons, blame dank meme culture and children.

#FreeDinsdale

Yes. 'Aloof' was an odd choice of word, I noticed it too - but it's a fair point. I started in 08 and I've read a lot of the early eve forum and fansites since, there has been a definite shift away from roleplaying and players interracting with the lore. I remember having a conversation in 09 with someone who kept making remarks about silly RPers (I think he thought he was being cool, but he was just being a **** to certain corpies) and the 03-04 players in channel who didn't RP were also a bit puzzled by his intolerance. There's an older tradition of it with DnD players which overlaps some of the EvE community.

The shift back to making ingame lore interesting and dynamic is really interesting from CCP. If it encourages people in highsec who would otherwise be disengaged from the wider community, it's a great idea to focus on it.


I don't think Goons are wholly responsible but there is a wider internet subculture that is militantly irreverant, obnoxious and tbh quite juvenile. They are also very noisy, and they more or less successfully shouted everyone down. It's amusing to note that the eve forums declined during phases when kugu/crapheap were most active because people could mouth off and misbehave, but now everyone gravitates towards reddit where the readers downvote arseholes into oblivion.

RP is a massive target for pisstaking, and in a way it's been crushed by that because you need a reasonably tolerant culture to sustain it. There used to be ISD and fan written in character/lore stories on eve-o. They were a bit inconsistent in quality, but it's a shame they were taken down. To be fair to grr goons, even if they are taking the **** with their RPing announcements, it highlights something quite entertaining that used to be more popular ingame.

I don't know if he would want to be. Maybe he just want to be degenerate, foul mouthed buffon that likes to spoil everyones food by spitting in it, and the rest just thinks its a matter of taste while eating it.

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#FreeDinsdale

Bring back the drive by soothing!

This is a pretty large assumption that playstyle=forum posting style. You're more objective than that.

I would also argue that his posting style does indeed show his sense of humor.

Unless they do not wish to defend themselves.
These people play someone else and pretend to be their creation.

Unlike roleplayers in EVE who don't actually identify with their characters.