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Throwaway Sam Atild
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-05-29 21:06:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Throwaway Sam Atild
Hi folks!

I run a small production corporation that builds T2 modules, usually in 3000x item runs. Unfortunately no one in the group is particularly interested in playing the market, and we end up burning too much of our time selling the goods.

I'm hoping to find someone interested in purchasing and selling/distributing our goods. I'm flexible on pricing or compensation plans. I'm generally not willing to sell below the hub buy price, barring extenuating circumstances. There's also probably some room for cooperation on the buying end as well, as we usually just buy from sell orders.

Please let me know if you'd be interested in talking a bit more about this concept and I'll hit you up in gmae. At this stage I'm willing to entertain a broad spectrum of ideas. Please be aware though that I am looking for someone with ~10B in the wallet for this, as we tend to turn over about 10 projects a month.

-edit - Thanks to loyd for pointing out my mistake in the 2nd paragraph in which iI left out the important word: buy :o)
Paranoid Loyd
#2 - 2015-05-29 21:09:50 UTC
Obligatory: If you are not willing to sell below hub prices, why wouldn't I just go to a hub instead of buying from you? Roll

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Throwaway Sam Atild
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2015-05-29 21:16:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Throwaway Sam Atild
Loyd - Think of it as an instantly filled buy order that you don't have to .01 for. Presuming there's space between buy and sell, or the market is on the rise, you could make isk converting the purchase into sell orders.

edit - The error is mine in my wording on the initial post. Forgive the confusion.
Paranoid Loyd
#4 - 2015-05-29 21:51:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Thanks for clarifying, where is the stuff produced or more specifically, where will it be contracted from?

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Throwaway Sam Atild
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2015-05-29 22:01:24 UTC
I'd be happy to cater to the buyers preference within HS. I'd even consider something like a split shipment depending on circumstances, say 1000x in dodixie and 2000x in Jita or what have you. The shipping cost of low or null kind of turns everything on its head, so that'd be its own discussion.
Cista2
EVE Museum
#6 - 2015-05-30 05:52:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Cista2
Do you choose the T2 items that you produce based on any market parameters?

If you would concur that non-profitability of the item you bring to me qualifies as "extenuating circumstances", then I would be happy to help :)
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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#7 - 2015-05-30 06:38:30 UTC
Lots of 3000 take time to move.

I presently have a smaller number than that of Neutron Blaster Cannon II on the market and they take forever to sell. The presence of a 3000 unit sell order depresses the market too.

And that's a high demand item (albeit one of the more expensive T2 items).

You might get better results (read: a higher per unit price) with smaller quantities.

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Quant Predictorian
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-06-03 11:14:01 UTC
Throwaway Sam Atild wrote:
Hi folks!

Please be aware though that I am looking for someone with ~10B in the wallet for this, as we tend to turn over about 10 projects a month.


What are the steps? Is collateral required?

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Throwaway Sam Atild
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2015-06-03 19:42:01 UTC
I'm a bit flexible on the exact details, but each step would need collateral in some form. I think the best bet is a simple contract for each lot of 3k though
Secret Sammy
Doomheim
#10 - 2015-06-04 07:06:08 UTC
Throwaway Sam Atild wrote:
I'm a bit flexible on the exact details, but each step would need collateral in some form. I think the best bet is a simple contract for each lot of 3k though


Do you deal with the logistics? Are they shipped to a hub?
Throwaway Sam Atild
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2015-06-04 23:53:36 UTC
I'd be happy to ship the finished goods to your location.
Throwaway Sam Atild
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2015-06-05 01:45:37 UTC
Thanks everyone! For the moment I'm going to explore the existing offers. I'll post here again if things don't pan out.
Nicola Romanoff
Tannhauser C-Beam
Seker Academy
#13 - 2015-06-05 16:17:00 UTC
have you tried the Wholesale Trading mailing list, some people on there buy in bulk generally somewhere between sell and buy price.
Extractor Bill
Hynix Galactic Industry
#14 - 2015-06-10 17:06:49 UTC
Your effectively looking for a wholesale customer.

This is possible, but you would likely need to provide a better price then best buy order. Your benefit, is that you have a guarantee that your product will be sold before its produced. That is a guaranteed source of revenue. However, you need to give up more of the margin to make this attractive.

Think back to why your trying to do this in the first place. I would bet you are trying to get faster turnaround so that you can re-invest limited capital back into production and diversification. If you decided to continue production as you are now, it should be fairly simple to sell it in theory if the market can support your production.

However as somebody else mentioned, your actions will affect the market. Dropping 3,000 units on any hub of a module will cause the price to crash because you just oversupplied the market. While some marketeers will let an order of 10 or 20 slide and wait it out, a huge amount of product will become the price ceiling that everybody will try to be under.

A wholesaler would need to take your lot of 3,000 and likely split it up into many orders, and deliver them to multiple markets. This would take time to sell, and the whole sale client would assume all the risks associated with margin lost with price declines. They would have to be very careful with how they liquidate that inventory or they could end up taking a loss. This takes time, and that means they will also have more capital tied up.

In the end it is unlikely you would be able to sustain this business relationship in the log run since the relationship has little mutual benefit to the wholesaler.

My recommendation to you is that you should liquidate your huge lot, and then slow down production of that one item. You need to diversify and find several modules you can produce. Pay attention to the average lot size on the sell orders for your market, and look at the quantity of units that change hands in a day. Let that guide you on how much that market can handle, and how much you should produce of that item per run.

Diversification is key to success in the market, you can't be a one or two tick pony.
Alex Grison
Grison Universal
#15 - 2015-06-10 17:26:56 UTC
Extractor Bill wrote:
Your effectively looking for a wholesale customer.

This is possible, but you would likely need to provide a better price then best buy order. Your benefit, is that you have a guarantee that your product will be sold before its produced. That is a guaranteed source of revenue. However, you need to give up more of the margin to make this attractive.

Think back to why your trying to do this in the first place. I would bet you are trying to get faster turnaround so that you can re-invest limited capital back into production and diversification. If you decided to continue production as you are now, it should be fairly simple to sell it in theory if the market can support your production.

However as somebody else mentioned, your actions will affect the market. Dropping 3,000 units on any hub of a module will cause the price to crash because you just oversupplied the market. While some marketeers will let an order of 10 or 20 slide and wait it out, a huge amount of product will become the price ceiling that everybody will try to be under.

A wholesaler would need to take your lot of 3,000 and likely split it up into many orders, and deliver them to multiple markets. This would take time to sell, and the whole sale client would assume all the risks associated with margin lost with price declines. They would have to be very careful with how they liquidate that inventory or they could end up taking a loss. This takes time, and that means they will also have more capital tied up.

In the end it is unlikely you would be able to sustain this business relationship in the log run since the relationship has little mutual benefit to the wholesaler.

My recommendation to you is that you should liquidate your huge lot, and then slow down production of that one item. You need to diversify and find several modules you can produce. Pay attention to the average lot size on the sell orders for your market, and look at the quantity of units that change hands in a day. Let that guide you on how much that market can handle, and how much you should produce of that item per run.

Diversification is key to success in the market, you can't be a one or two tick pony.


It's a bit of a specific offer. But I think there's some value in it for the right person. He'll just have to find the right one.

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