EVE General Discussion

Lol, bull. You're not going to pay 50m to kill a 10m procurer and they certainly aren't going to allow it to happen lol. If I were the other miner I'd troll you with alts until you either ran out of money or ragequit.

I honestly do not understand that line or reasoning at all - maybe because I'm not sure what you mean by "corp lite." You seem to think it's just like a regular corp but with wardec immunity...? I laid out my (initial) vision for social groups back in post, hmm, #360 I think it was. Nothing in there is anything I would consider an incentive for Red Frog freighter pilots alts (as opposed to in-corp contract accepting toons that never undock in more than an inty or cyno ship if they're in Black Frog running freight to null/low) to be in anything other than NPC corps.

Can you please provide more details on your reasoning?

Meet Joe. Joe is a miner and missioner. Why does Joe need a POS? PI, whats that, guess he doesn't need a POCO either? Corp hanger, to trade what with who? Corp wallet, to use for what? Well, thats a whole lot of functions Joe gives exactly no ***** about. SOV isn't in highsec anyway, so Joe's a little confused why you are bringing t up, but he's guessing you're grasping. But that name proclaiming him a glorious hero of space, he wants that. And a cool logo, he definitely wants that.

Currently Joe has a choice, he can have his flag, but to do so he has to be willing to defend it. Under corp light, he can lean back and cruise the length of highsec immune to harm, shittalking his way without danger of repercussion.


Thats a whole lot of highsec features. Are you sure you know what we are discussing here? Besides, in 6 months to a year POS are gone anyway, so its a little duplicitous to use them as a "but you guys keep these... *whispers* well, for now anyway"

More accurately Mike, you are saying the poor haflings are afraid to cross the narrow bridge, or the stubbing of their little toesies should be assuaged by the construction of another wider and smoother bridge for them to use. Roniken is then saying a third one should be built, complete with velvet carpeting...

Then in a year from now, you will both come back saying airport-styled moving walkways should be put in, so they can just stand there and be carried across.

(My original metaphor was more along the lines of the Balrog, Goblins and Orcs being large, medium and small 'nerfs' to non consensual conflict drivers, and the good guys 'buffs' to non consensual conflict...and you were still putting the good guys content in jeopardy by allowing small orc nerfs to cross. It only takes a single orc to pee in Sam and Frodo's rabbit stew to spoil it Mike. A single one.)

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The question I was answering was "what are the benefits of being in a corp?" and I answered with such. Just because some of those benefits are not applicable across all security ranges in EVE does not mean they are not benefits.

Sounds like you think there is absolutely zero benefit to being in a player corp for anybody who spends all their time in highsec...?


Define "corp lite." Simply a title he can put on his character sheet? He can do that in his bio with ASCII art today. Bios are not a problem that needs solving by making people subject to war decs. What is this "flag" that you mention?


Yeah, I know what I'm discussing - I'm discussing benefits of being in a corp. What are YOU discussing? That things that benefit other people and you don't make use of are not actually benefits at all? And I already implicitly addressed POSes going away by mentioning CCP's replacement of them with the new deployable system, and I'll make it explicit by mentioning I've heard it said that modules that will be replacing current player corp-only structures will also be player corp-only (although I don't know of a specific CCP statement to that effect.)

Why are you so against making it easier for new and old players in EVE to create social connections to other players? CCP Rise's Fanfest presentation implies that interaction with other players leads to greater new player retention - by advocating for making interaction with other players more difficult, you're advocating for reduced new player retention levels. Is that a role-play thing you do for the Feyd character? Or are you, the person playing, actually wanting to reduce the subscription base for EVE the game?

You answered with a variety of things that are dubious benefits at best when weighed against the ludicrous safety provided by NPC corps, and with another variety of things that the average player, and 99% of all corps ever created will never see.

You proved me right.

Now who is "assuming".?

I can guarantee you that I am able to fight, and willing to "gank" if the need arises, but that is me. I am not the risk adverse one.

The difference between you and me. Is that with you, as apparent as this post implies. Is that you play for isk. You aint winning unless you are optimising ISK / hour. I think we can safely say that the majority of Carebears fall into this category. I on the other hand put fun before isk.

I never said NPC corps should be removed, or players forced out. I said I disliked it. And yet now you are claiming Hi sec mining to be "peasant", and should be replaced. Double standards at its finest. another category Carebears can fall under.

you obviously have your opinion, and I have mine. I know mine to be right, and yours to be blinded by your carebear tendencies. So i'll leave it at that

Indeed. And calendars and zkill and FA forums and FHC forums exist already, too. Everything I've laid out for my initial thoughts for social groups, as written in post #360, already exist - but as disjoint, disparate systems, making it difficult for new and old players to find those already-existing-to-some-degree social groups. My thought is that by giving people the ability to package those pre-existing in-game features together for a singular, organized purpose - purposes which can range from Bomber's Bar outings to CODE gankings to role-playing to talking about the weather - we can make connecting much easier. Well, the one new thing, really, would be the ability to advertise and search for groups in-game somehow (like a group search UI window.)

Here's an example how it could be used - people living in Syndicate could join a "Syndicate Shiptoasters" social group and post events. There was a "Let's meet in Poitot and brawl at 02:00 on such-and-such date" posted on FHC a while back that some groups missed because of confusion over the exact date/time of the event in converting it to local time. Having it show up on and alert from a shared calendar would have been helpful. (Although if this potentially reduced the traffic on FHC because everybody started talking in-game, I could see how FHC could be put off some.)

The problem being that Highsec corps are exploitable for one. And it's that the fact that they CAN be exploited it's because it's the easy means of accomplishing what the player wants. IE: Avoiding Decs, and Tax. Im not trying to argue with you Lucas. Your opinion is valid as anybody elses. So don't think I'm trying to demean you are anything like that.

But Highsec corps are pretty much used as the 'social corp' idea anyways right now for all but Indy players and Mercs. Mission Runners, Incruision runners, and the like do not need to me in an NPC corp in order to function but they don't need a player-made corp either, It's almost like a limbo. But it's easier for them to have one man rolling corps. Which by the EULA is exploitable. However not acted upon. Which like I said above is a problem because it's the easiest available solution and shouldn't be. Players should have to WORK and put effort into getting what they want. That's anything really. If they want to run an Indy corp they should but in the effort of providing protection for their assets.

If somebody wants to run missions they should have to protect themselves from issues that may arise. That Goes for every other corp.

Merc Alliances need to be able to function without interference from other entities. A lot of Merc corps/Alliance disbanded because they can't do this. I've seen at least 25 do this because weren't able to protect themselves when it came down it.


PVP and PVE corps should follow the same rule set. They shouldn't be treated differently. It's a Sandbox. Not a playpen.

If you want to make billions of isk, and have a name you should work for it. Thats how I feel about it,

Like I said let Social corps happen. But make it so that Player Made corps in Highsec HAVE a MEANING. Like For real. Right now, it's there are only two kinda players that need player made corps to fuction. Mercs and Indy. Everyone else it doesn't matter. It doesn't mean anything to them what corp they are in. A Mission Runner can still run mission and make profit, a Incruision running can still make MASSIVE profit from incruisions a Trader can still trade without issue. That what I think should change. Players shouldn't be coddled. It's EVE a game built and the idea that it's a cut throat world without remorse. Why is everybody wanting that to change? You can't be the be the biggest baddest richest dude from the start you need to work for that.

And Honestly it seems like a lot of player expect to be that from the start. EvE should not be easy. It should be challenging, not an Easy-Mode Corp if you want to be in one.



Yeah it's a sandbox. So why is CCP limiting the area of play in that sandbox? It's not a sandbox anymore then. Is it?

As a Side note have you ever been in a Merc corp before? You would be right about a lot of players being easy to kill. But you don't seem to notice that the only reason a Merc can sit on the undock in an insta-legion, is because alot of them do not work together, they don't fight back. Some corp have like upwards of 10 people in Amarr, do you how fast a legion will melt if 10 tristans undock on it at once?

Thats a huge problem with Highsec. People believe they don't have to fight for what they want. YOU ALWAYS have to fight for anything you want. IRL and EVE. People are easy targets because they let themselves become it.




Anything that causes players to act against each other in a competitive way. Somebody wanting a moon, somebody undercutting the market orders. Somebody getting annoyed at somebody and wardeccing them. Somebody wanting Sov, Somebody evicting a wormhole. Somebody negotiation a pact of r an uneasy truce in order to run efficiently. All that and more.

Conflict is the best driving force because it keeps things alive and liquid. Not stale.


Like I said before man. I want Highsec to have more content for PVE and PVP corps. If Social corps are thing, then give player made corps more than just a POS and a POCO.