EVE General Discussion

Miomeifang dont be a turd. we're talking about corp names here, not the misc scrabble pieces your parents pulled out of a bag.

And Lucas, not completely limited to high sec as people taking names for themselves limit those who would otherwise pay for them and perchance even be willing to fight for them. That applies to players in null, wh space, low AND high sec. Hell, even Veers pays for his corp label, 1.6 or 1.7 million at a time. The thing is that because he pays for it, it's his... if someone else were to grab it in the moments between him rolling corp to dodge a dec and recreating it, I'm sure he'd be peeved. He CAN be decced, so despite his methods for preventing his O-ring from suddenly being widened, I still have to respect the fact that his label IS out there and able to be challenged.
They haven't earned it, they wont fight for it, they don't deserve it.

You make just as bad puns as I do. Loved it.

And you hit the nail on the head.



We need to seperate the corporations that exist solely for imaginary ego reasons from those who actually have a chance of making a name for themselves ... and these are the ones who are willing to defend themselves. For everyone else there should be a mechanic like social groups.

One does not have a name just because he decides to have one ... and without natural selection mechanics there is no way of actually obtaining one, because there are thousands of other corporations out there doing the same thing anyway.

Don't fall into their trap Pedro (and Omar)...

ANY additional feature handed to someone hiding out in an NPC corp (or CORP-LITE that is also NOT wardeccable) is futher incentive to stay there, or for edge-case full corp members to drop corp and get 'the basics' for free without risk of wardec. End result remains, regardless of how many features, a single one increases the weight of not joining full corps.

Also, don't kid yourself that when today its just feature 'x' in corp-lite or a 'society', we know damned well that carebear entitlement whining never stops -- it will be feature 'y', then 'z' over time... right?

Not one single step down this evil road. Incursion runners farming ISK in safetly, shouldn't get a single iota of full corp functionality, not one drop, without accepting some risk. (i.e. wardec)

I swear, I feel like I am Gandalf on the bridge here yelling "YOU SHALL NOT PASS!", and you guys are saying "Ok, not the Ballrog...but lets just let a couple orcs past, maybee a goblin or two...".

Defend the bridge.

p.s.
I say BUFF wars, but the middle ground is Doctors oath -- "Do no harm", so at a minimum this corp-lite and 'societies' garbage should simply be shelved, and status quo remain.

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So "Waah, punish NPC players..."

Wrong. Simple as.

Wrong, since they already get exactly what they will get. None of then give a crap about being able to be in a social group, so there's no reason to think they'll care one way or the other. You're making this up. You are literally going full Dinsdale.

But you're not gandalf. You're not even in the party. You're a pebble on that bridge screaming with rage trying to get someone's attention, but nobody is listening because you have nothing important to say.

The same downsides as an NPC corp. The corp-lites would literally be smaller NPC corps with names, and hopefully the ability to be one-way upgraded to a full corp. The social groups would go on top of all characters regardless of location or corp.

I'm still yet to hear why people should be further incentivised to leave NPC corps (or more accurately why they should be punished for choosing to be in them). NPC corps are part of the game. Get over it.

These NPC corp replacements with a name and some identity do not add value to the game IMO. I certainly would not use one because they have the same restriction as a full player corp, you can join only one, only one agenda. Without the shared resources and benefits of a real player corp they are quite pointless... what we need is better cross-corp support.

So too are these 'societies', don't let them slip that one by the goalie either... There should be a requirement to already be a member of a full corp before joining these 'societies', or again someone in an NPC corp can conceptually create a corp construct, or get corp-like features and tools without putting skin in the game.

These carebears are devious malcovas, they are trying to sell the poison of 'societies' as less harmful than 'corp lite', but there is no middle ground between food and poison, just poisoned food.

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Why can't I? I think it's far less important than the social clubs, but it's just a smaller NPC corp with a name which should be able to be upgraded in time to a full corp. It's like a stepping stone to a full corp. I can't see why that's a bad thing. Anyone currently in a corp using corp benefits like assets and finances and all the other shared components would be mental to downgrade, so for the most part it's going to be people from NPC corps forming into them. No additional risk is being removed, it certainly won;t be safer in a corp-lite than an NPC corp. I just don't see a problem with implementing a mechanic which helps people interact.

Why would you choose to use a corp-lite if you choose not to use an NPC corp? You'd still have to have a full corp for your pos and asset sharing, so you'd have a full corp and a corp-lite with your hauler. Surely if you choose to keep your hauler in your full corp now you still would after the change.

Personally I run a couple of corps which run jobs and everyone stays docked and all of my haulers and support characters are in NPC corps. I certainly won't be sticking them in corp-lites because I can't be bothered, and either way they can't be wardecced. The guys in my corps share asset pools and wallets so they would have to stay in full corps.

So? I couldn't care less if someone wants to identify as Scope, Bob's Corporation or Super Elite Uber Miners. It's irrelevant, and all something people can do now.

Slippery slope in itself is a fallacy, there's no reason to assume that adding corp-lites will lead to anything. Further, I believe the Trammel argument itself is flawed, since player counts went up for a long time after Trammel and fell much later after many other completely different changes. People like to use Trammel as a scapegoat, but I really don't believe it was the problem.

The only "corp-like feature" these societies offer is social connectivity (something that can be accomplished outside EVE via third-party tools) resulting in increased player retention and a more dynamic, interesting and healthy New Eden environment. There's a problem with people who have no social ties in EVE, so why do you want to reserve tools to create social ties for only those people who already likely have social ties? It's illogical.

You fail to realise the benefits of this. Yes I said Benefits. Advertisement. We all know Red frog use NPC corps to move things. All of a sudden they can use a Corp with a similar name or a name Promoting Red Frog. Red frog receive a benefit, without increasing the risk. To me that is pure and simple a buff. And that is one Buff too many.



Oh come on. Don't play stupid. We can safely assume that further down the road, Corp-light will not be enough and more will be needed to be done. It's a slippery slope. You know it. I know it. CCP know it.