Crime & Punishment

Hello,

If you are a member of hisec mercenary organization, or even a solo content provider who leverages the wardec mechanic, you may want to make your voice heard here, before its too late and yet another nerf nail is put in the coffin of wars by carebears.

Thank you for your attention,

p.s.
tldr; can be found here.

F

Again? Its literally the same thread.

I get the concern that we are creating a new kind of corp that's immune to war decs.

I wouldn't be shocked if the PVE meta gamers figured out that the 20% tax cost is so much cheaper than war decs that this is the PVE ultimate war avoidance solution. Certainly, mining corps would have no incentive to form real corps as their minerals are exempted of tax.

With the exception of bounty tax savings, the only other benefit a corp offers is infrastructure opportunities. I see this as a way to reduce the corp or no corp decision to just 20% mission earnings which would be an easy decision for many types of corps.

I think entire industries would abandon the traditional corp overnight.

The devious part of this is its an indirect long term nerf to hsec war-based content, and only after a lot of pointed questions of its advocates did I uncover the goal here...

Best case, if you give players in NPC corps access to more corp-like features, they will be less incentivized to ever leave NPC corps. If you think war-based content is already thin today (because of people hiding out in NPC corps), prepare for it to stay that way forever.

Worst case, these incentives will make 'borderline' people who are in full corps today say 'why don't we just drop corp' and join NPC corps, then re-organize under these 'societies'? We still get to have some corp-like mechanics, but now we can't be wardecced by the 'griefers' anymore. End result, less war-based content.

In short, the carebears are deviously providing 'corp' mechanics to NPC corp members, as an indirect end-run nerf to war mechanics. If you take part in wars, this might concern you.

Just sayin.

F

seems like a sound idea to me

Veers backs the nerf wardecs in highsec approach.

With you on our side veers we shall succeed. Mo will be pleased

There is a proposal about this in f&I ATM

I don't think Wardecs need a nerf. I think they need fixed. Not Nerfed. Wardecs are way to enjoy PvP in highsec. Its a core part of Highsec Meta. I've done it since I was noob and could barely fit a merlin. It's a fun part of the game.


The idea of social corps is an idea however I can get behind. I really think that it's a good way to experience community and keep the newbro's around. What EVE needs is a way for Newbies to learn the game, and honestly the only way it's going to happen is learning from other players. Social Corps seems like an idea to do this.


However Social corps need restrictions. And right now, the difference between Highsec Corps, and NPC corps is almost nill. Tax, POSes and POCO's are the only difference. THAT needs to change before I even think about allowing an idea like this. NPC corps need to be super restrictive. 'Social Corps," Need to be slightly less restrictive, and player made corps need to be free with full opportunities to make ISK and a name.


And that won't happen until Player Made Highsec Corps get more content.


So that's what I advocate. You wont social corps. Fine. But give Players a risky option that can turns out more beneficial outcomes that any other available. You wanna make billions of isk in incursions, manufacturing and such? Make a Highsec Corp. Do you want gather with friends and do stuff? Make a social corp. You want to play alone? stay in a NPC corp and face the low risk low reward because of it.


My two cents.

There are three general groups of players where defending against highsec wars are concerned.

1) People who aren't paying attention (this also includes stupid people).
2) People who are willing to fight you (at least for a little while, until they realize what a one-sided affair the war is, and join group 3).
3a) Everyone who will immediately drop corp, roll a new one, and go on with their lives as if you didn't exist.
3b) People who go play on their alts, ignore you, and go on with their lives as if you didn't exist.

A wardec will only lead to kills against members of group 1 or group 2.

The fundamental flaw is the fact that, frankly, there is literally nothing in highsec worth fighting over. Towers? Meh, I'll just move it. It takes me literally a couple of hours. I can have it down, a new corp formed, and the tower back up and running in less time than it takes for the wardec to go live. (If I'm really being a ****, I'll leave one alt in the old corp, just so the wardec actually starts).