EVE General Discussion

The responsibility of getting newbies more deeply involved with the game is primarily the responsibiliy of the newbies themselves. Why should the focus be on other people pushing new players to play? Why shouldn't the focus be on empowering new players to take matters into their own hands?

This idea of subordinating new players to more entrenched participants of the game might even be the problem.



i can haz data point?

All the NPC Corps, with the sole exception of CAS, are quiet, barren, and antisocial. If all of them except CAS were dissolved tomorrow, the players who love to play alone could continue living life in one-person Player Corps. The players who like social environments would have to go find Player Corporations (which happen to be how people get together in EVE).

Explain to me again why anyone is arguing any of the non-CAS NPC Corps should stay?




Oh, right. Wardecs. Wardecs has been what this entire discussion has been about from the start. Wardec immunity and how even 100% tax would not be enough for someone to relinquish that immunity.

Edit: ^_^

You've lost me there , not sure what it has to do with being efficient.
Correct me if I am wrong, NPC corps do nothing other than tax you.

I stay in the Republic University corp because I like the name.
And the icon.
And because I want to stay in the same corporation.

That's pretty much it.


I use an alt corp for doing missions when I want to play solely for ISK.
Thorav put to words my thoughts beyond that.

In regards to the NPC corp wardec immunity, I don't really think much of it. There's no benefit outside of highsec. And ironically it's the alt-corp I keep in highsec.

But not that it all really matters at this stage, I'm sure it's been all well discussed.
I just wanted to throw my opinion at the OP title.

NPC corps prevent prevent you from being wardec'd. You proposed removing that, at which point a single wardec efficiently places all of those players who were avoiding wars into a war.

Conversely by forming one man corps each has to be wardec'd individually which increases costs for chasing the characters down in numbers and greatly decreases the chances of any lesser known or targeted characters from receiving wardecs.

It's demonstrably far less isk efficient to chase the individual targets than having a single entity to wardec, and with any luck you won't be chased at all.

Why would it have a cost calculated any differently than for any other corp?

Because they are different

Ill say this,

After being in numerous corporations in Eve, and forging a few friendships (and enemies), I can honestly say the game is much much better when played with others. Content is key in any game and Eve players are my favorite to go to for such things.

However, I think a lot of player are like me.. I generally don't liked being told what to do with my time, especially if it sounds boring (personality trait). Why should I go orbit a hostile POS at full speed for hours when I can go mine Kernite in my Tormentor? (I DO NOT recommend this) The point of a game like Eve is to play it the way YOU want to, and that's why I love it.

You should not be forced to do something that you don't want to do. Being ganked or flipped is one thing (because...mechanics), forcing Players to lose their possessions in non-consensual, true PVP combat is not something CCP intended, which is why I believe they implemented Crimewatch/Weapon safeties etc.

I created my own one man corp for those reasons. I have unlimited freedom. I still socialize with other corps in my home system and abroad. I can war dec corps that rustle my jimmies. I sneak into low-sec when I want for some thrills (or dank roids). I'll hit the occasional worm hole and hit sleeper sites while tapping the d-scan button every 3 seconds. Hell I might find a null-sec exit and check out the locale. Maybe even steal a gas cloud or two. Otherwise, it's high/low sec anomalies with some juicy PI to finance it all.

Maybe I'll join an Alliance one day. Which brings me to my point....

Eve is impossible to enjoy alone. No matter where you go, NPC corp or Lone Wolf, there will be a ganker, flipper, war target, or a confused player who hasn't quite grasped the rules and engages your ship without provocation. These things in and of itself create the best content I've experienced to date. They are unintended consequences of game mechanics, but when it crosses the line in to non-consensual combat that results in the loss of prized virtual possessions, it turns most people off.

So to answer your question, I think people stay in NPC corps because they're not informed enough, don't like the extreme risk, and/or they're generally anti-social even in RL.

Eve is like an orgy. It's best enjoyed with others.

triple poast....

Anyone arguing for a de facto penalty on NPC corp membership is, in deed, trying to subordinate new players to the leadership of any player corporation they might join in response to that penalization. Taking away or penalizing an option or enhancing the rewards of an alternative steers the chooser toward the "better" choice. The "better" choice, in this case, is player corp participation. Especially for new players, that means subjecting themselves more directly to the will and judgement of an established corp's CEO/leadership and to war dec'ing corporations/alliances. Well, the CEO/leadership isn't called that because they do what YOU tell THEM. Either you do what THEY tell YOU or you GTFO of their corporation, typically. War dec' corporations/alliances don't even pretend to care what you want. They just force their will upon you by space violence. Both of these are, in fact, examples of subordination.
And, please spare us the dogma about how noobs can do x, y, or z to remedy this subordination, because we all know they probably don't know how to do x, y, OR z, letalone have the skillpoints to do them effectively.

You keep begging the question by saying that penalizing NPC corporation players or buffing player corp players is an attempt to fix a problem with player retention. Until you can prove that NPC corporations are the source of the problem, you can't prove that disrupting their function is a solution to that problem. I have yet to see a compelling piece of data that says that players are more likely to leave the game because staying in an NPC corporation is an option. I don't think there is such a piece of data and, unlike you, I don't think CCP thinks there is such a piece of data.