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Lessons from beyond the Great Wall

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Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#21 - 2015-05-27 20:31:47 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Also, the Asians are unlike the west in that they are not an aspergian collapsing society.


Japan?
Enya Sparhawk
Black Tea and Talons
#22 - 2015-05-27 22:48:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Enya Sparhawk
Aza Ebanu wrote:
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
Time is money.

Does time experience inflation?
LOL It must, it seems to fly. (That's probably also the reason why everything hurts so much more when payment comes due; the ground will always hit back hard.)


Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Also, the Asians are unlike the west in that they are not an aspergian collapsing society.


?? I'm confused by this odd statement (maybe even a little amused). Did you mean a single 'aspergian' who collapses society or a society that collapses 'aspergians'?

Fíorghrá: Grá na fírinne

Maireann croí éadrom i bhfad.

Bíonn súil le muir ach ní bhíonn súil le tír.

Is maith an scéalaí an aimsir.

When the lost ships of Greece finally return home...

Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2015-05-27 23:12:14 UTC
Well regardless, of time, someone has to produce something. The more produced, the more there is to play with. I think we can all agree on that.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#24 - 2015-05-28 00:21:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Enya Sparhawk wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Also, the Asians are unlike the west in that they are not an aspergian collapsing society.


?? I'm confused by this odd statement (maybe even a little amused). Did you mean a single 'aspergian' who collapses society or a society that collapses 'aspergians'?



Yes

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#25 - 2015-05-28 00:56:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
I'd be interested in hearing how big alliances (on Tranquility) maintain long-term building/production operations. Maybe it's worthwhile for the Builder in null sec, because of the distances to the big supermarkets. It isn't in hi/lo sec, though. The group's builders can make things cheaper than the market price. Great, seems like there should be some efficiencies to benefit everybody there.

But the reality is, the builders have a little lemonade stand with maybe 10-50 items for sale. Back in the Upper Egypt area of the corp HQ. Meanwhile, the group members have access to a supermarket, with about any imaginable item available, close to whatever system they might happen to be in. Group member buyers are better off buying for a little more, whenever and wherever they need it. Builders are better off selling at the actual market rate, instead of offering efficiency discounts to in-group member buyers. Considering the margins and fluctuations of the EVE market, they might have spent more producing than they'll get from selling to the buds. It can't work in the end.

Could work in null though, I'd bet. When you need a certain bomb or drone, you really need it, and you don't want to make a shopping list and fly 30 systems to get one.

EVE economy is too fine-tuned and fluid for Asian-style group loyalty/rigidity. That stuff works best when you and your family need that job, and there's nowhere to go if think you might want to go rogue. Not going to happen in an MMO, eh?
Zaragram Dorgiers
Bold Lock Aggregations
#26 - 2015-05-28 02:52:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Zaragram Dorgiers
Aza Ebanu wrote:
They realized the true strength of EVE Online. They truly understand the sandbox concept.


So wait just a minute. The 'true sandbox concept' is that only the Chinese way to play is valid? You sure about that? I thought a sandbox was about freedom and setting your own goals- If I want to make earning lots of money my goal, why is that a bad thing?
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#27 - 2015-05-28 03:40:12 UTC
Kashadin wrote:
...

They are only concerned with getting more stuff and with having as little conflict as they can.


NAILED IT.
Where harmony is more important than truth, this ↑ is the result.
The wacky Western way is like a fever that gave us the rule of law and reason but it will pass and its ideas will be refined.
Thank you wacky Western way.






Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.

Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#28 - 2015-05-28 04:29:17 UTC
Mag's wrote:
People are different.

More news at 11.


Society in game is a reflection of society in real life.

China mines and imports raw goods and manufactures for themselves. The west is a collection of doe eyed consumers stuck in the rat race.

And there you have it. That's your correlation. More news at 12.
Vek Hareka
Fist Bumps All Around
#29 - 2015-05-28 07:47:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Vek Hareka
This harmonious surface of societal equilibrium hides a ferocious dog-eat-dog elitist reality. Please do not be fooled and advertise what is not. (And here we are, thinking Russians are bad. Hah.)

Quote:
China mines and imports raw goods and manufactures for themselves


I know, right ?! China exports so little manufactured goods.

Here comes a time, ganker,

When blingfits cease to sparkle,

When hermophite looses its luster,

When the station hangar becomes a prison

And all that is left is a capsuleer's love for his fedo.

GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#30 - 2015-05-28 08:05:32 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
Did you omit the part where no PVE is done by humans there? Where wealthy RL people sell PLEX to PvP and fund their alliances? Where they have 11,000 people online at peak? Where PLEX is 3-5bn, with most other commodities costing 3-5 times higher than on TQ? Where, at the same time, they lose more Titans and capitals in a single welp than in the battle of BR-5RB?

A few living on the backs of the bot-slaves is apparently True Strength™ Smile
Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#31 - 2015-05-28 15:36:03 UTC
GankYou wrote:
Did you omit the part where no PVE is done by humans there? Where wealthy RL people sell PLEX to PvP and fund their alliances? Where they have 11,000 people online at peak? Where PLEX is 3-5bn, with most other commodities costing 3-5 times higher than on TQ? Where, at the same time, they lose more Titans and capitals in a single welp than in the battle of BR-5RB?

A few living on the backs of the bot-slaves is apparently True Strength™ Smile


Really more of a declaration of theit drive for efficiency. They didn't go from laughable to world #2/#3 superpower in one generation because they were stupid.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#32 - 2015-05-28 16:16:12 UTC
GankYou wrote:
A few living on the backs of the bot-slaves is apparently True Strength™ Smile

Like True Sansha? Lol
Stacy Lone
Nirakura Inc
Decisions of Truth
#33 - 2015-05-28 16:27:57 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
[quote=GankYou]
Really more of a declaration of theit drive for efficiency. They didn't go from laughable to world #2/#3 superpower in one generation because they were stupid.


Being allowed to bot has nothing to do with being efficient or strong.

If it was allowed to bot on TQ and everyone was doing it, prices would go up on TQ drastically. But on the other hand, if ISk doesn't mean anything to you, market works different, and you have to produce your own stuff, because no one reall wants your $$$ anyways and you don#t need the ISK others are offering you.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#34 - 2015-05-28 18:29:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Stacy Lone wrote:

Being allowed to bot has nothing to do with being efficient or strong.


There is strength and efficiency in botting, its called automation. But if everyone is botting and uses the same bots, it is about the number of them.
If its true what people say about botting on chinese server, than their market is just the surplus store with overpriced stuff.
Maxim Hibra
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2015-05-28 19:50:33 UTC
The Chinese server having bigger alliances doesn't really mean anything. It's just a matter of how you organize things. Most big nullsec powers on Tranquility are organized into coalitions, ie. a group of alliances that set eachother blue and share intel channels, teamspeak and forums. This is because it's considered a safer option than a single mega-alliance. Back during the Great War way back when, you had Band of Brothers, who were a single huge alliance, on one side and a coalition of Goons and their friends on the other. In the end, BoB was destroyed when one of their leaders switched sides, disbanded the alliance and stole most of their assets. Since then, pretty much everybody has used the coalition model as it's less vulnerable to awoxing.

Also, when speaking of the economy on Serenity one has to note, as pointed by other people, that they have a huge RTM/botting epidemic, which seriously devalues ISK and has major efffects on the economy of the server.
Minmatar Citizen 534612187
Citizen Corp.
#36 - 2015-05-29 00:31:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaeranos
Lan Wang wrote:
easy solution, buy a plex, fck building something everytime i wanted to do something

"Spend more money for a game that you already pay $15 every month to play" does not a good solution make.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#37 - 2015-05-29 00:37:45 UTC
I honestly cannot hear about the Serenity server without shuddering about their wholehearted embrace of botting.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#38 - 2015-05-29 01:11:17 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
GankYou wrote:
Did you omit the part where no PVE is done by humans there? Where wealthy RL people sell PLEX to PvP and fund their alliances? Where they have 11,000 people online at peak? Where PLEX is 3-5bn, with most other commodities costing 3-5 times higher than on TQ? Where, at the same time, they lose more Titans and capitals in a single welp than in the battle of BR-5RB?

A few living on the backs of the bot-slaves is apparently True Strength™ Smile


Really more of a declaration of theit drive for efficiency. They didn't go from laughable to world #2/#3 superpower in one generation because they were stupid.


Letting slaves & peasants do all the work for you is never stupid. Smile

Discussion of RL politics is against the forum rules, by the way.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#39 - 2015-05-29 07:09:34 UTC
GankYou wrote:

Letting slaves & peasants do all the work for you is never stupid. Smile

It is, you will find yourself hanging on the tree sooner rather than later. You must maintain a good paid force to enforce the rules. Treating them like slaves or peasants would not do you any good. That is why any dictator or tyrant has a personal army to watch his back, usually enforce a rule of terror by secret police and their army is used to police the masses fairly often. There is even a concept of using not police but militia to enforce laws.
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