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the strange price of a Garmur blueprint copy
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Kirsten Grolsh
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-05-27 22:38:29 UTC
Good afternoon wise market-tycoon types!

Perhaps someone in this helpful forum can enlighten me about something that to me appears to defy all reason: that the price of a Garmur blueprint is higher than a Garmur.

I've recently hit wall producing some small items at a steady profit. I'm still making that same profit but my net worth has increased quite a bit and I'm looking for bigger percentages. I found a few possibilities and am trying them out on a small scale, and then I thought, hmm, what about a Garmur? They're beautiful ships, quite expensive, and quite useful (albeit in a specific niche). I checked the price of the ship itself, around 74M at the time I looked, and then I checked out the BPC, and choked on my coffee, it was a bit more than the ship itself, around 79.

Not the material cost (which is negligible as in most faction BPC's), just the blueprint itself! I don't know why this bothers me so much but it really does! It defies any explanation I can think of.

So I thought I'd ask in here, mayhaps there is some complex logic here I am not getting? Or is it simply a case of market pvp where the seller is trying to pvp his or herself?

I hope this is going in the right forum! I am hoping to deepen my understanding of market forces.

Thanks kindly for reading and any insight you feel like offering :)

KG
Paranoid Loyd
#2 - 2015-05-27 23:03:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
It's always hard to tell because random is random, but I am fairly certain they dialed back the amount of BPCs that were dropping so the supply side of the BPCs is not what it used to be, this would explain the discrepancy as the current stock of Garmurs were built when the supply of BPCs was much higher and coincidentally the price of the BPC was lower.

Which I guess raises the question, is there any reliable way of viewing historical data of BPC prices?

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#3 - 2015-05-28 00:26:38 UTC
You can't change the price of a public contract for free in the way you can with a market order. (Not technically free but the cost is basically nil).

So if you are undercut selling hulls, you probably counter-undercut. Undercut selling BPCs? Counter-undercutting is less of an option.

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GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#4 - 2015-05-28 00:36:33 UTC
The profitable contracts have all been bought out, so you're left with either break even, or loss ones.

It changes on a daily basis, but good luck catching a decent faction/pirate BPC on public contracts. Blink

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ICBC
Short Term Capital Management
#5 - 2015-05-28 00:38:31 UTC
Purely speculation, but if a large portion of demand is in null, could it be due to a hauling cost difference between the hull and BPC (+materials)?
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#6 - 2015-05-28 00:45:41 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
It isn't.

People just expect to get paid whatever was the going rate. Two hours ago.

Case in point example: Machariel BPCs were selling 290-300 mil p/u a month ago - they were bought out & manipulated higher, along with the hulls, with hull price eventually reaching 620 mil p/u a week ago.

The hulls have since crashed back to 529 mil, with the build cost being around 156 mil ISK.

Sellers still expected to get outdated 375 mil for their prints, though the price is starting to adjust.

...And they all crave one thing - ISK. ¤

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#7 - 2015-05-28 03:55:54 UTC
GankYou wrote:
The profitable contracts have all been bought out, so you're left with either break even, or loss ones.

It changes on a daily basis, but good luck catching a decent faction/pirate BPC on public contracts. Blink



If you are willing to haul from Jita to other hubs (or to pay a useful idiot 1-2m to do it for you) you can often make a profitable arbitrage transaction - buy 10x VNI print in Jita, haul to Amarr, build, sell.

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Jori McKie
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2015-05-28 06:59:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Jori McKie
Did that with like 25 Machs and 25 Rattle per week. Just start buying the BPC on Saturday/Sunday late afternoon until late evening in Jita. Haul them on Monday to Amarr, Rens, Dodi buy the minerals there and wait for the next weekend to sell.
Profit was ~50m p/u too less for the investment and hassle so i stopped after 1 month.

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Kirsten Grolsh
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2015-05-28 17:51:16 UTC
thanks all for the answers and insights, some sensible ideas to explain the recombinant chaos of the eve markets :)
Maverick Tiberius Kirk
VEN0M0US.
Out of the Blue.
#10 - 2015-05-29 11:59:20 UTC
Learning the null sec market here, Mine and produce T1 ships on my own, I have some PI set up little stuff like that... But im interested in investments like the rattlesnakes and such.. How do i profit from it.. and isn't it risky?
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#11 - 2015-05-29 13:22:57 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
They are not investments in that sense and are a working resource, you build to sell. P

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Kirsten Grolsh
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2015-05-29 16:51:52 UTC
Maverick Tiberius Kirk wrote:
.. How do i profit from it.. and isn't it risky?


let x equal the price you can get for the final product, ie rattlesnake or w/e
let y equal the total for price of blueprint + full cost of all materials in blueprint manifest + factory manufacturing cost

your profit is x - y

KG