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Whats in demand?

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Magnarus Arctic
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-12-26 21:27:54 UTC
Essentially I'm wondering, what are corps looking for right now? I'm sure "everything" would be a probably be an answer, but say, are Shield Tanks two a penny? Are dedicated miners hard to come by? What kind of skills will a high end corp want you to have?

To sum up, whats in demand right now, and whats in excess?
Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#2 - 2011-12-26 22:01:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Ottersmacker
My personal opinion is that corps are looking for good pilots as in more like pilot skill and personality instead of simply a certain number of SP in a certain field (obviously there are exceptions: perfect knowledge of game mechanics, perfect hand-eye coordination and being the coolest guy on earth won't get you into a freighter-only-corp if you can't fly a freighter).

Sure there are things such as a "SP minimum" or "be able to fly at least one of the following: *list*", but I can't see a general trend of something like "NOW RECRUITING TWO FROST MAGES AND A RESTO DRUID" being very prevalent. Maybe if you really want a shiptype focus, something like highly skilled recon and logistics cruiser pilots are by no means rare but still harder to come by than generic bc/bs-specialized pilots.

To sum up, bads are in excess and non-bads are in demand.

i just locked an open door.. strange, yet symbolically compelling.

Magnarus Arctic
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-12-26 22:04:22 UTC
5 year Ex-WoW player clearly showing :(.
Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#4 - 2011-12-26 22:10:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Ottersmacker
Really? I just like warcraft jokes and examples.

I added a bit to my previous post about really high skilled recon and logistics ships being not that common but very valuable while you posted. I guess if you want skill training advice, something you could ask yourself is:
* what do i want to do in eve?
* how can i be somewhat different (but useful) from all those people who do *previous answer*?
(* will this be exciting and interesting? <- perhaps the most important question..)

i just locked an open door.. strange, yet symbolically compelling.

Arshes Nei
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-12-26 22:23:06 UTC
Stupid forum ate my post. Basicly if you MUST have a list here it is:

Fly a Hauler
Fly a Retriever/Covetor
Fly a Interceptor/Interdictor
Fly a Covops and be handy with a probelauncher
Fly a T2 fitted BC
Fly a T2 fitted BS

If you can do all the above you have a very solid fundation, and you could easily adapt to any special needs your corp has.

That being said what Ottersmacker said is correct, though i would add that the ability and willingness to lead gangs and organize stuff is the most sought after ability for sure. Being reliable and helpful certainly goes a long way aswell.
Magnarus Arctic
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-12-26 22:24:35 UTC
Lead gangs? A.k.a commanding a fleet/mini fleet? If so, thats good, because I was a very successful raid leader when I played WoW.
Arshes Nei
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2011-12-27 00:11:31 UTC
Magnarus Arctic wrote:
Lead gangs? A.k.a commanding a fleet/mini fleet? If so, thats good, because I was a very successful raid leader when I played WoW.


Yes thats exactly what i mean. The principles are basicly the same, just less drama/discussions. Its a bit more involved though, more decisions to make like the actual direction and wether or not to engage a foe based on incomplete intel etc. Its more of a burden too because if you get your fleet wiped here once ... well thats it, the evening fun is over and people have to farm quite alot more to make back what they lost here.

And it can be all due to a single wrong call you made, like forgetting to assign a rearscout or accidentally gangwarping to a hostile pos(and won't THAT make you popular).

And lets not even get into the whole "international" thing. Nothing as fun as having someone in strong accent or broken english trying to tell you something really IMPORTANT over a bad voice com with a broken mic ... 3 Typhoons at your location? K, everyone warp. Ohh you meant Titans ....

Still atleast people usually appreciate you for it.
Magnarus Arctic
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-12-27 01:07:18 UTC
I'm Scottish so accent is inevitable :(. Still, nobody ever had a problem understanding me.
Liam Mirren
#9 - 2011-12-27 01:58:06 UTC
EVE is, once you stop playing "PVE, the solo edition", very much a people skill thing. If you're an ok guy who is willing to learn and isn't "annoying" you'll do just fine. If you then also are willing to put in effort to learn before doing, figuring stuff out, organising things and getting ppl rallied you'll do more than fine in EVE.

SP, wallet and ship size aren't really that important. All that matters is WHAT you know and WHO you know.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Chiana Moro
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#10 - 2011-12-27 05:06:32 UTC
Arshes Nei wrote:


And lets not even get into the whole "international" thing. Nothing as fun as having someone in strong accent or broken english trying to tell you something really IMPORTANT over a bad voice com with a broken mic ... 3 Typhoons at your location? K, everyone warp. Ohh you meant Titans ....


We have a few FCs with an accent in CFC which generally isn't a problem as long as people actually are disciplined and listen.
What's in demand is people with a good attitude to the game and corp mates, not creating necessary drama.
Arshes Nei
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-12-27 16:32:09 UTC
There is a difference between an accent and a strong accent. There are native english speakers out there there who are barely understandable to other native speakers, for someone having english as a second or third language they can be VERY hard to understand and sometimes even impossible if they don't talk slow and clear.

Saying you just need to be disciplined and listen is not helpful, you either understand someone or you don't. Listening really carefully won't magically translate stuff for you, im pointing this out because in other MMOs servers are usually regional. Sure someone out of south england will probably undestand an scotsman or irishman just fine, though its a whole different thing for a texan talking to someone out of northern italy who only has english as his third language.
Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2011-12-27 18:02:25 UTC
Chiana Moro wrote:
Arshes Nei wrote:


And lets not even get into the whole "international" thing. Nothing as fun as having someone in strong accent or broken english trying to tell you something really IMPORTANT over a bad voice com with a broken mic ... 3 Typhoons at your location? K, everyone warp. Ohh you meant Titans ....


We have a few FCs with an accent in CFC which generally isn't a problem as long as people actually are disciplined and listen.
What's in demand is people with a good attitude to the game and corp mates, not creating necessary drama.

Off-topic, sorry. Chiana, how'd you do that plastic-y Michael Jackson avatar? Scary! Smile
gfldex
#13 - 2011-12-28 00:29:53 UTC
Magnarus Arctic wrote:
I'm Scottish so accent is inevitable :(. Still, nobody ever had a problem understanding me.


Don't worry, most FCs play nakit. Your skirt wont scare anybody.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.

Pinaculus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-12-28 15:25:07 UTC
One of the best Incursion FCs I've ever flown with was Russian, and had a very thick accent. Still, he was aware that people might have trouble understanding him so he tried to enunciate clearly and keep his commands short and simple.

People that gripe about accents are just being xenophobic, and people that don't try to compensate for the fact that EVE players are from EVERYWHERE are just being lazy.

I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.

Arshes Nei
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-12-28 18:34:40 UTC
Pinaculus wrote:
One of the best Incursion FCs I've ever flown with was Russian, and had a very thick accent. Still, he was aware that people might have trouble understanding him so he tried to enunciate clearly and keep his commands short and simple.

People that gripe about accents are just being xenophobic, and people that don't try to compensate for the fact that EVE players are from EVERYWHERE are just being lazy.


Bolded the key part, also i don't gripe about accents, i gripe about people expecting everyone to have perfect english skills and being able to understand people who do NOT try to speak clearly and don't bother with proper grammar. There are tens of thousands of people in EvE who have enough trouble to understand perfectly clear english spoken in a face to face conservation in the best of situations(i.e. not being inebriated), if you choose to fly with them they deserve that you in turn give your best talking as clear and to the point as you can(though i do encourage scottish FCs to get inebriated and rant on TS).

Also i don't get the discussion, im saying FCs need to talk slowly and clearly - especially - if they are not exactly talking oxford english, there is nothing to discuss there and i don't particularly think any anecdotes about how you knew this awesome FC talking gibberish and everybody understanding him perfectly are going to be helpful. Anyone who ever did any military service together with people from different nations knows exactly what im talking about.

Also this applies 99% to native speakers, non native english speakers usually do not talk fast enough and do not use all those fancy words you need a freaking dictionary to decipher for their accent to be an issue.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-01-12 17:37:20 UTC
The main thing there is always a demand for is:

Pilots who are active (doesn't mean you have to log in every second of the day, just play regularly means you are active), who are willing to do stuff with the corp (or alliance) and not just solo-play while in a player corp, who are willing to learn from others or even teach others stuff (yes new players can also teach older players).

True, some corps have a limited amount of SP they want their pilots to have, or to be able to fly a certain ship. Keep in mind this is generally only so the new pilot can actually join in with pilots who are already in corp (for instance null-sec corps demand that a new recruit will be able to be semi-self sufficient (aka able to properly tank a ship against null-sec rats, etc).

Most corps mainly ask you to be at least skilled so you have the core skills (so you can fits ships more easily and have some basic idea on how to fit a ship) and some null-sec corps / PvP corps may ask you to be able to fly a certain ship / fit as that is the ship / fit they mainly use while they fight.

My main thing I can suggest:

Pick a corp that does the same thing you like to do (no need as a miner to join a hardcore PvP corp).

Study corps that sound interesting, don't rush into the first corp you see only to find out they aren't what you are looking for, best to look at multiple corps and some research into them (history of the corp, killboards, evewho) and most corps have a recruitment/public channel, hang around in it so chat with the people that are in that channel to find out more about the corp.

If you eventually find you the corp isn't exactly the corp you were looking for, or if your focus in eve changes which means other corps may seem more doing the stuff you like to do, don't be afraid to switch corps. I suggest to try to do it in a nice way so you build up a list of 'good' contact you can always rely on if you need help with things that might happen.


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J Kunjeh
#17 - 2012-01-12 17:45:47 UTC  |  Edited by: J Kunjeh
Edit: sorry, wrong sub forum

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