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whats worth it to you?

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Switch Savage
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2015-05-26 15:15:44 UTC
Anytime i learn something beyond what I already know from an "on paper" perspective makes the fight worthwhile regardless of cost within reasonable limits.

The times i get annoyed at a loss is when I learn nothing from the engagement, that said if you look hard enough you can always come away with something even if its just an affirmation of something you already knew.


Daerrol
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2015-05-26 16:33:53 UTC
I had a bad fight last night. I got socked closed, logged back in, assigned drones, socket closed... logged back in... You get the idea. Fortunately I was in a gila so my assigned drones hammered the target pretty hard. Still I died to a proteus I could easily have webbed and MWD'd away from. Getting caught by an armor ship in a Nano shield ship shouldn't ever happen.

So yeah. That's my a bad fight. The rest are worth it. One of my fav fights was tackling a bait paladin to see a Nyx get dropped. Never seen a Super before.
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2015-05-26 16:56:26 UTC
It all depends on how I feel when starting to play. Lolroams will be worth it if I feel like doing that but if I want something more serious, don't try to make me participate in a killboard padding operation for example.
Valkin Mordirc
#24 - 2015-05-26 17:40:29 UTC
If I lose a 3bil Marauder Gloriously to a cruiser gate camp and kill like 10 of them regardless of the Isk ratio it's worth it.

If me and friends go out and fight out in lowsec against another gang, and I die it's worth it.

If I'm undock a in a BS gang into another BS gang, it's worth it.


It's not about winning or isk eff, or K/D ratios those are somewhat but not entirely measures of skill. It's about having fun. If you going to get upset because you lost a ship, or you didn't kill enough ships before you lost it. You just making the game hell for you.


Sometimes you just gotta drop a solo nestor into the glory belt and see how long you can live.
#DeleteTheWeak
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#25 - 2015-05-26 17:48:11 UTC
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
So tonight i did some elitenullsec pvp and rained down some damps and helped kill a Vagabond, a Munnin and a Huginn in Fountain.

I lost 2 Mauluses, a couple velators and an empty pod.

So what is "worth it" to you personally? ?
To me those 5 losses were "worth it" cuz i helped destroy 3 T2 ships worth over a half billion.

Some people HATE dying though and never consider it "worth it" if they die.
Ithers like PL and BL will lose 200mill ships in exchange for 10 2mill frig kills and say the Good-Fight was "worth it" to them.




So whats "worth it" to you?


And here I was, hoping you would write what it would be worth for me to see you leave these forums forever. Sad
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2015-05-26 20:12:44 UTC
It's the hunt ... if it results in a GF it is a plus, win or loss doesn't matter then. Other I'm considering myself quite obsessed of a green killboard at the end of the day / session.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Code Redd
Free Terrans League
Legendary-Rejects
#27 - 2015-05-26 20:22:50 UTC
Not really on my pvp main, but..

Worth it, to me, is when i have overcome something--usually in my head--to come out the winner in a fight. I have a lot of hesitation about pvp, what i should take, what i can fight, what i can win against.

So, really, i guess it comes down to this:

Did i learn something from it?

If yes, it was worth it. If NO, then it wasnt, and i retain this ... mad, unsatisfied feeling. I NEED to know why a failed in a fight.

Lost a confessor to a coercer once--i was just furious, it made no sense at all. Mostly i was mad that we engaged at scram range, i got lock and scram, and he burned out of it somehow. After that, there was NO chance of me living. He was fit with polarized guns, 650 dps, and we could both hit each other, but i could NOT keep up with his dps. the only ship i had ever fought that i couldnt.

i learned something though. Polarized guns are no joke--and that 1-2 seconds he had an active mwd before i locked him were enough to get out of my range (a tactic i have used effectively only once myself).

Worth it.
Joe Atei
Aes Dei Asher
#28 - 2015-05-26 20:27:52 UTC
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
So tonight i did some elitenullsec pvp and rained down some damps and helped kill a Vagabond, a Munnin and a Huginn in Fountain.

I lost 2 Mauluses, a couple velators and an empty pod.

So what is "worth it" to you personally? ?
To me those 5 losses were "worth it" cuz i helped destroy 3 T2 ships worth over a half billion.

Some people HATE dying though and never consider it "worth it" if they die.
Ithers like PL and BL will lose 200mill ships in exchange for 10 2mill frig kills and say the Good-Fight was "worth it" to them.




So whats "worth it" to you?



Only when it's necessary or profitable. Otherwise, I just consider it a neat feature to the game personally.
Leoric Firesword
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2015-05-26 21:51:47 UTC
any time I engage in pvp it's worth it. sometimes there's fun stories that go along with it, like the time I ran away from a proteus in my executioner (made it out with 17 structure left)
Enya Sparhawk
Black Tea and Talons
#30 - 2015-05-26 22:17:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Enya Sparhawk
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
So tonight i did some elitenullsec pvp and rained down some damps and helped kill a Vagabond, a Munnin and a Huginn in Fountain.

I lost 2 Mauluses, a couple velators and an empty pod.

So what is "worth it" to you personally? ?
To me those 5 losses were "worth it" cuz i helped destroy 3 T2 ships worth over a half billion.

Some people HATE dying though and never consider it "worth it" if they die.
Ithers like PL and BL will lose 200mill ships in exchange for 10 2mill frig kills and say the Good-Fight was "worth it" to them.




So whats "worth it" to you?

I always seem to relate my EVE gameplay style to this game... I think because I starting playing the two games online at the exact same time back in 2006.

On the other side of the coin: the purpose of losing something is always part of the overall strategy...

Fíorghrá: Grá na fírinne

Maireann croí éadrom i bhfad.

Bíonn súil le muir ach ní bhíonn súil le tír.

Is maith an scéalaí an aimsir.

When the lost ships of Greece finally return home...

Darth Terona
Fancypants Inc
Pandemic Horde
#31 - 2015-05-26 22:41:22 UTC
at the risk of sounding really generic right now... At least within the circles I run.. Any fight that ends in explosions is "worth it" to me.

I don't care if I live or die. As long as I got to shoot back.

My whole club is like that
Darth Terona
Fancypants Inc
Pandemic Horde
#32 - 2015-05-26 22:43:45 UTC
Code Redd wrote:
Not really on my pvp main, but..

Worth it, to me, is when i have overcome something--usually in my head--to come out the winner in a fight. I have a lot of hesitation about pvp, what i should take, what i can fight, what i can win against.

So, really, i guess it comes down to this:

Did i learn something from it?

If yes, it was worth it. If NO, then it wasnt, and i retain this ... mad, unsatisfied feeling. I NEED to know why a failed in a fight.

Lost a confessor to a coercer once--i was just furious, it made no sense at all. Mostly i was mad that we engaged at scram range, i got lock and scram, and he burned out of it somehow. After that, there was NO chance of me living. He was fit with polarized guns, 650 dps, and we could both hit each other, but i could NOT keep up with his dps. the only ship i had ever fought that i couldnt.

i learned something though. Polarized guns are no joke--and that 1-2 seconds he had an active mwd before i locked him were enough to get out of my range (a tactic i have used effectively only once myself).

Worth it.



may I suggest you record your fights then.
Even if you only do it for yourself, There are a ton of things going on in a fight. Having a recording of the fight is a good way to review it all. And review every fight at least once. Win or loose. There is something to learn from each.
Mathias Lee
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2015-05-27 12:25:21 UTC
Just as long as it's fun, I'm not experienced in pvp much at all, hoping to change that soon. Twisted
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#34 - 2015-05-27 13:09:53 UTC
I see lots of good answers here. Hope for the future of EVE and whatnot.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Barge Bumper
Doomheim
#35 - 2015-05-27 13:19:55 UTC
What's the point of being an immortal clone if you're afraid of death?

Fly it like your captain's seat is the electric chair.
Lucretia DeWinter
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2015-05-27 13:26:16 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Fun > isk.

I will fit and fly just about anything.


...in any colour as long as it's Megathron?
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#37 - 2015-05-27 19:25:16 UTC
Losing ships in epic live events (that have not happened in years unfortunately because hurr durr Muh ISK/Killboard) was worth it.

Pause for "I was there" stare...


There I things I do that only incur pure loss that are worth it because it makes me giggle like Loreena Bobbit in a sausage factory.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#38 - 2015-05-27 19:39:29 UTC
I've flown a lot of fleets that we all knew were suicide runs. Fly till ya die stuff.
I also like fights that I *should have lost* but ended up winning.

Most times, every fight was worth it, win or lose.
About the only sad fights were when I was damped or ECM'd the whole fight.
I'd add that losing a ship AND having a **** of an FC is not worth it.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2015-05-28 10:40:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
So tonight i did some elitenullsec pvp and rained down some damps and helped kill a Vagabond, a Munnin and a Huginn in Fountain.

I lost 2 Mauluses, a couple velators and an empty pod.

So what is "worth it" to you personally? ?
To me those 5 losses were "worth it" cuz i helped destroy 3 T2 ships worth over a half billion.

Some people HATE dying though and never consider it "worth it" if they die.
Ithers like PL and BL will lose 200mill ships in exchange for 10 2mill frig kills and say the Good-Fight was "worth it" to them.




So whats "worth it" to you?


Good PVP is like good sex. Whether you're doing the *******, or getting ******, as long as you feel like a smoke and a nap when it's over, it was worth it.

Some of my best fights include a 15 minute assault frigate duel that I lost; fighting a Myrmidon, Thrasher and Coercer in my Ishkur and killing all three with 15% structure left; and more recently, taking on five well-flown and well-equipped T1 frigates (Merlin, Comet and three neuty Slashers), losing one Ishkur after only killing one Slasher, then finishing off the other four after reshipping to my Enyo. Fights that aren't worth it are the kind that are entirely one-sided.

Many would say you're stupid to go into a 'fight' that you don't already know you're going to win, but if you know you're already going to win, it isn't really a fight at all. You might as well be shooting red crosses. That doesn't interest me in the slightest - call me stupid if you want, but I'm not so attached to my pixels that I'm not prepared to challenge myself and sweat a little, or even a lot, from time to time. It's what drew me to EVE in the first place, and it's what keeps me here. IMO, if all I ever engaged in was certain pre-determined victory, and all I ever did was win as a result, I'm not sure the game would have kept my attention for so long.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Elenahina
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
#40 - 2015-05-28 12:38:02 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
If my death results in a kill that is worth more than my loss, it is worth it.


For me, it's the fight, not the kb efficiency, that matters.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno

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