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Best Support ship for L4 solo/duo mission running - Domi or Oneiros

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Gotrek Gurnisson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2011-12-28 11:43:00 UTC
Ive just returned to EVE after a long absence (2.5 years) and am slowly learning how to play again. My main character (Gotrek) has ~18M SP and usually missions in a DPS Abaddon, or dual-rep Apoc (depending on mission).

My Gallente alt usually follows in a support ship (currently an Exequror), set to orbit the main battleship at 5-10km, running remote reps and repair drones. However, I now have a decision to make - the gallente Alt is poised to get the Logistics skill, but with a small amount of effort could get the Battleship skill instead.

So - do I aim at Logistics ship (Oneiros), which will be more brittle if targetted by NPCs during mission running, or do I get my alt into a Domi - which may prove to be a much bigger (but tougher target)?

Ultimately I am still aiming my alt at Logistics ships long term - but I also want to get up and running on L4 missions as quickly as possible. I presume that a Domi, with its ability to carry remote repairers, and tons of dps / repair drones might be a quicker and easier step to get ISK quickly, rather than going for a more expensive Oneiros?

And the sooner I can get a decent support setup then I can start taking out my Geddon or Abaddon instead of the Apoc :)

Thanks for any advice!

Gotrek
Captain Nares
O3 Corporation
#2 - 2011-12-28 11:46:30 UTC
Domi coz of 5 assisting sentrys.
Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#3 - 2011-12-28 12:28:32 UTC
Odd combination, I prefer double drake myself if I dualbox.

But given the choice, I'd go with the Domi. As said, 5 assisting sentry drones is nice, don't fit guns on the domi, fit remote rep and cap transfers, and a get cap transfer in one of your utility highs on you 'main'.

By the way, 18M and a battleship sounds like you severely lack support skills, maybe it's time you invested in those instead of pew pew, they make a BIG difference. I've been in some mission fleets where the battlehip went 'OH **** I cant take this dps' and warp off, at which point my little drake got all the agro and I went.. huh what dps?

Double drake combo has decent dps together, and both and both have a big fat passive tank that can soak up anything.

My fit is something like 7 HMs, drone computer, 2 LSEs, 2 inv fields, AB, TP, DCU, PCU, 2xBCU and 3 purger rigs.
No faction, just tech 2 and maxed out shield skills.

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Gotrek Gurnisson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-12-28 13:35:50 UTC
Thanks all for the advice so far.

Xearal wrote:
Odd combination, I prefer double drake myself if I dualbox.
By the way, 18M and a battleship sounds like you severely lack support skills, maybe it's time you invested in those instead of pew pew, they make a BIG difference. I've been in some mission fleets where the battlehip went 'OH **** I cant take this dps' and warp off, at which point my little drake got all the agro and I went.. huh what dps?

Fortunately Ive kept most of my skills fairly focussed, and whilst Im not yet ready for incursions I can run L4 missions with relative impunity (only exceptions being against guristas and Angels due to the resists).

At the moment Im looking to consolidate my wallet, getting all my ships re-insured, and starting to build my skills towards marauder or command ship (still undecided) - with my alt sticking to dedicated miner / logistics work.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-12-28 14:03:02 UTC
I will break with the pack and say Logi. Get your alt into an Onerios (sp?). Then forget missions and have him run Incursions.
Alticus C Bear
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-12-28 14:09:54 UTC
I was going to post almost the exact same thing but the forum ate my post so this is the second write up.

Domi is a god choice but you will need to dual box properly and pay atttention to aggrassion for the Domi and the sentries, if you want RR then it will have to remain close.

Ony can orbit at 65km and still provide RR with large reps and Tracking link bonuses could should be stable with afterburner and three large reps with Logi 4, as stated it may also be useful to take this character down a different path for many reasons Incursions being one of them.

[Oneiros, Mission RR]
Overdrive Injector System II
Damage Control II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed
Tracking Link II, Optimal Range
Tracking Link II, Optimal Range
10MN Afterburner II

Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Medium Remote Repair Augmentor I
Medium Remote Repair Augmentor I

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#7 - 2011-12-28 17:22:25 UTC
I'd say the Good Ship Friendship would be a good choice

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#8 - 2011-12-28 17:30:33 UTC
You wanna use a Domi. Worst case scenario you pull your Sentries/Ogres for a set of heavy RR bots and put them on your main.

-Liang

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Jeicam Mmis
BEEFCO.
#9 - 2011-12-28 17:32:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Jeicam Mmis
I'd suggest dual BS's instead of BS + logi. You're not getting that much damage from L4's to need a separate ship to handle it, and adding more DPS will help you move thru rooms faster.

Eventually you'll really just want two machariels Twisted
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#10 - 2011-12-28 18:19:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Jeicam Mmis wrote:
I'd suggest dual BS's instead of BS + logi. You're not getting that much damage from L4's to need a separate ship to handle it, and adding more DPS will help you move thru rooms faster.

Eventually you'll really just want two machariels Twisted


Machs require too much attention. Your best bet is a fleet of afk domis all running their own missions. Its kinda like ice mining, but more profitable.

-Liang

Ed: Bonus points if you have enough domis running missions that you can justify a legion + loki boosting them.

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1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2011-12-28 19:57:59 UTC
Domi
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Endeavour Starfleet
#12 - 2011-12-28 22:30:53 UTC
I am about to get started with 2x RR domis with drones for DPS.

Yes DPS will not the best in the world but that combo will never die from a LVL 4 if I am paying even the slightest attention.

My brother is getting into the game and will also soon pilot a RR domi. So the plan then is to have a high slot layout to support themselves and provide cap and single per ship shield transfer support to a Raven then Navy Raven. With that 3 Ship formation I will have insane DPS against a single target with little risk of perishing and even light ability to survive a stupid gank attempt.
Echo Mande
#13 - 2011-12-28 23:42:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Echo Mande
I'd say go for the domi. A domi can, with decent skills, have a beast of a local tank while at the same time having the RR gear needed to keep your DPS ship repped and even providing some DPS. You can then set up the DPS ship to have less local tank and more gank.

Basically, mount 2 local and 2 remote reppers on the domi and turn on only those that are needed. For rigs just fit 3xCCC, you'll need as much cap as possible in the domi. DPS is entirely secondary but do fit an aggro gun.

Oneiros is possible but you're probably going to run into tanking issues if the thing does get targeted.
Pookoko
Sigma Sagittarii Inc.
#14 - 2011-12-29 01:51:11 UTC
Seems you are missioning in amarr space - regarding choosing between command ship and marauder later on, go paladin or nightmare, abso is sub par in missions. Also do considet that drone boats like domi or rattler will give you the much needed option of damage selection, which your main's amarr boats lack.
Gotrek Gurnisson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2011-12-30 00:53:05 UTC
Thanks for the advice. Domi seems the way to go, as I can jump into one fairly quickly with minimal skills - and provided I make sure the Abaddon draws all the aggro I shouldnt need to worry about the domi :)

Obviously Logi is the way to go for incursions on my alt, whilst Gotrek isnt that far from Marauder as things currently stand for mission running Twisted

Emiko Fujimoto
Tokyo Loverboys Inc
#16 - 2011-12-30 03:00:38 UTC
I'd dual box a ganky DPS ship with a Domi fit with a beefy tank and T2 sentries/heavies, with a single gun on the Domi. Make sure the DPS ship has a moderate tank in case things go south.

Send the Domi in first to grab the whole room then have it orbit your DPS ship at 2200m while you cruise around picking off NPCs.

Benefits from this method:
-Reps/cap transfer
-Salvaging/Looting (Noctis is far superior)
-Remote Sensor Booster w/ Scan Resolution
Lockheed19
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-12-30 12:01:34 UTC
Posting to state annoyance with your name. Cool

Went to set up a third account recently, and fully intended to use either Gotrek, Felix, Brunner and/or a couple of others.

Bit silly really as I should have expected them to be gone.

Grrr......! Evil
Jeicam Mmis
BEEFCO.
#18 - 2012-01-03 01:04:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jeicam Mmis
Liang Nuren wrote:


Machs require too much attention.



only true for non-spawning, single-room-all-aggro missions.

for all others, the amount of attention is about the same (accel gates, drone aggro.. )

one specific example I would cite is the scarlet L4 mission. The high-bounty rat anire scarlet, can be alpha'd and will respawn, for a double 4.5 mil bounty. It's hard to alpha with drones.

There are other significant benefits to the mach over domi, except of course the price and AFKing, where the domi wins. Those benefits (faster speed, more DPS, more base HP) simply come out to more isk/hr :)