Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hi

I know this is going to be a controversial post but here goes

Eve is 12 years old now and with the time based skill training it is not uncommon to see people with multiple years’ worth of skill points in the same corp as brand new players. With meta changes its not uncommon to see in the same alliance, say gunnery and missile doctrines or minmatar and caldari etc... Now I only have 22 million sp which really means train ship and train weapons to cross for me which for t1 is fairly quick, t2 say a month or two depending on ship level but for new characters it's not exactly great at all.

The main holdup are the V skills that are pre-requisites for example “Drones V” but not “Rapid Launch V” locking a person into the skill for some time when there is still plenty to learn.

Why not allow the following, "Skill Lock"

Basically you have a button on your training queue that will "lock" the skill into training until end of current level, and then you can continue training your normal queue ? So person goes "I want to fly a flycatcher, I really need to get Propulsion Jamming V but I could use getting some missile skills up and there is also that Caldari Destroyers V". They train propulsion jamming to IV and when it gets to that 17 day V they lock that skill in. The person can then continue to train their Caldari Destroyers or support skills.
If they change their mind and decide to go a different direction, tough propulsion jamming will need to complete before they can lock a new skill.

It will allow a person to get to that T2 ship and actually be able to fly it with some semi decent supporting skills, after all the ship is nothing without pilot skill and supporting skills.

This.

Plus wrong forum, plus Malcanis Law, plus reported.

Quote:
New Players left out. Drones V is unfair.




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Thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion.

NO

I was told by wise veteran pilots years ago when I joined EvE not to train any lvl 5 skills unless needed as a pre-req for at least your first 12 - 18 months the only exception they mentioned was drones V as you need to be able to have 5 drones in space if your ship allows. Almost 6 years later that logic and that thought process is just as valid in today's EvE as it was back then.

I agree with the statement if you cannot fly something your corp/alliance wants you to fly then you need to have a discussion with your FC / directors / CEO about finding a role that "you can fill" based on your skills set. If they are not willing to do that then move on to another corp / alliance because the group you are in has lost sight of how to help new / newer players and is only focused on "what they want".

No, because where does it stop?
A friend just started the game and at 2.5 million SP he wants CCP to make it faster and easier to train for the ships he wants.
At 10 million SP a corp member wants CCP to make it faster and easier to train for the ships he wants to fly.
At 22 million SP you want CCP to make it faster and easier to train for the ships you want.
At 90 million SP I want EvE to make it faster and easier for me to train for the ships I want.
At over 100 million SP my son wants CCP to make it faster and easier to train for what he wants to fly.

At every step in this progression players always justify moving the cut off on these faster / easier training ideas up to whatever level of SP they have. Can you see where this is going? If CCP gave in to these ideas sooner or later you will have 1 week old tunes flying titans if they have the ISK to buy them.

I know this will sound really harsh but I believe that CCP has made it to easy on new players skills wise, with the boosts free remaps etc they help to set up and reinforce an entitlement attitude that is not good for the game. Like real life EvE is hard and you have to work for everything you get and that is exactly how it show and needs to be.

WUT?

What are tyou even asking? you want to be allowed train 2 skills at the same time? how does that not just let me train 2 carriers at the same time?

No.

That feeling of uselessness comes from you, not the game. I look through the sub-cap doctrine fleet setups for The Imperium, and you know, there's t1 frigs and cruisers in pretty much all of them. Additionally, I've never heard an FC tell a newbee in a t1 frig that the couldn't come along on a fleet as tackle.

Sure, you can't grind lvl 4 missions, run incursions, or farm 10/10s after two weeks, but you can damn sure get in on the action pretty quick.

also i know an ISD moved it hear but SP discussions already has a sticky on this page so its a bit redundant

Quoting for posterity.

(and for easier searching)