EVE General Discussion

Why? Basically what you are saying is the benefits of having a name should only be allowed if you agree to wardecced. it's got nothing to do with "functioning as a corp" your issue is that they won't make themselves targets. The problem with that is that it creates the situation we have now, where if you aren't pure PvP there's very little point in operating a highsec corp, hence groups like red-frog using shell corporations and NPC alts.

Amusingly the social corp mechanics will primarily be for people who won't hang around in highsec anyway. They might live and ship up there, but with groups like spectre fleet they'll go into low and null to fight. Many will probably be in corps that do other things but play in NPSI groups for entertainment when their corps aren't about, much like the people who show up now, just better organised. Social corps will be pretty useless for the people you're crying about - the industrialists and such - because they won't have shared jobs, assets, isk, markets, etc.

Corp Lite... This is a pretty bad idea, although i exist mainly in npc corp its a choice i made because i have decided to only engage in eve in a limited fashion.

regardless of my reasons , this is a complete 180 of what ccp was trying to accomplish with npc tax and other efforts to get people out of npc corps .

this new buffer does nothing more than to insulate players from the actualities of eve while allowing them more access with out the added risk .

there is already in game chat channels that work well .

one of the cornerstones of eve is that the players make the game content.

creating corp lite limits the player created content and create more of a theme park universe.

the problem with grief decs is the system in place. while it is a major aggravation for high sec players it also creates content for players to engage in. the lack of options and supporting systems of the war dec sytem is the main problem. the solution is not to protect players from this system but to make it more robust so that players can engage and benefit from it on both sides of the equation.

I would be very careful with this new idea as it could easily back fire and create some unintended consequences that have not been foreseen .


Just tossing this out here, instead of corp lite why not corp wardship? where newbie corps can be protected by corps willing to protect them from wardecs. one of the intriguing things about a system like this is that the wardship could be secrete and when some corp wardecs the protected newbie corp they find out that the entity is a bit bigger than thought .
and maybe some good fights come out of it.

either way the point being instead of protecting players in more closed systems that the players can not interact with . create more systems that encourage the players to engage and benefit from one another. always keep the players creating content.




Cross Corp Social Groups: on the other hand sounds useful in many circumstances.

It doesn't matter. That's the point. There isn't a single reason to oppose the idea because there are no consequences like those you are suggesting.

You're absolutely right. It doesn't matter, so why are you pretending it does? Why are you for disallowing a function to others when it in no way changes how you interact with them?

It's in no way counter intuitive because the point was that there was no negative effect, which is pretty much proven by the lack of gameplay significance. This isn't supposed to be a game changer, just another game recognized method of grouping. We literally stated this already exists via workarounds.

So again, since we're both finally on the point that naming something doesn't matter, what is your opposition?

There is no drive to get people out of NPC corps who knowingly and willfully dwell there that I have seen. The tax was to keep NPC corps from being flat out superior to player corps when combined with wardec immunity.

Similarly there is no access beyond that which the player already has with the idea from what I've read. Can you actually demonstrate some form of added access with any meaning? Also what insulation occurs? How does this prevent any situation that the primarily targeted players aren't already insulated against?

You know what the real problem with these are?

They are the clear choice for the majority of highsec corps. The downsides they do have are trivial in the extreme, and the upside is enormous. Just like the friendly fire toggle, the majority will move to this, get a net buff to their safety with zero consequences for that choice, and real player interaction is cut off at the knees, yet again.

Mike can blather on about how he wants to improve the game as a whole, but I don't believe for a second in his supposed altruism, not when this aligns with his one sided view of EVE so well.

It's a combination of the chat channels, mailing lists, fitting websites and trackers that are currently used to bundle together NPSI groups. Yes, all of these tools current exist in various places, but the whole point is to streamline the ability for people to participate in groups outside of their normal corps. They aren't a nerf to the wardec mechanic at all, since the types of activities performed by players who evade wardecs generally need things like shared hangars, wallets and structures. Those same players will continue to avoid being shot in all the ways they do right now.

This is a clear misunderstanding of how existing corporations work. I'd be very surprised if any corps actually folded and moved to using just social corps since there would be no real benefit to doing so.

I love how you people will claim literally anything is a "net buff to safety" no matter how ridiculous the claim is. The plus side of that is that very few people will take your opinions seriously because of it. Kinda like Dinsdale.

Older players stay in NPC corps for protection from WD's. It really is that simple. You talk about new players, they still will become older players. Some will go onto null, pvp, missions or what ever, but still some will stay in NPC Corps for protection.

Unless the name is the only benefit of these "corps" still keeping tax, and the inability to WD, or use Poses. You'll infact lower the bar of the player base considerably.

I would like CCP address the problem of being able to avoid, and create WD's so easily instead. Fix that first.

I picture an Eve where inter-corp community "recruitment", fleet adverts, fittings, announcements, and scheduled events are formally available in-game and at a glance. These are already available to corporations, but to make them available to people outside of your corp requires that they be organized out of game. That's a barrier.

Speaking of barriers, when I was new, my biggest hangup when joining my first corporation was feeling like I was committing to something too soon. Presumably, dropping in or out of these social corps would be much more spontaneous. For that reason, actual corps might even use them to recruit or poach.

(Yeah, I'm getting excessively optimistic here.)
(And I was right, incidentally.)

Amazingly this has not been brought up in 25 pages......

API Checks Required for social corp admittance?

Lol i can see it now, to protect against spies and griefers FULL API is gonna be required to join most peoples Social Corps.

Dont try to say it wont be, you all know how recruitment is.

Oh don't worry, I am sure Mike will ensure the new "Don't awox me bro!" switch to prevent corp blues from awoxxing each other, would also be given to these social corps...

Yes, there is actually now a switch that CEO's can turn on, that prevents corp members from shooting each other. I kid you not.

I swear, if I didn't laugh at this insanity I would cry at what they are doing to our game.

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You talk the talk, but can you walk the walk?

You do not speak for me. I am in a one man Corp. I am doing just fine. I have my PoS up. Doing my own thing, Even had a WD from Marmite. but....... and here is where you fall, smack down into a total face plant. I have a very active social life within EvE. I have friends all over the place. WH's Null. Lo, and Hi. No matter what it is I want to do, I can do it. Hell I have recently walked in the dark side, with no repercussions from my circle of friends. If I can do it as a single man corp. Then everyone can do it.

You are catering for the scourge of gaming. The Carebear. That my son is a big big mistake.