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RE: Cruiser killing Rokh?
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Splinter Unit
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-05-27 01:14:43 UTC
What's up everyone. This will be my first ever post i have created on the EVE forums. I am here because I am having trouble fitting a Rokh specifically for killing cruisers. I have fitted this ship in all sorts of of shapes and sizes using T2 425mm to blaster fits but i cant seem to create the damage or tracking speed i want to fight against cruiser gankers.

With that said, from ya'lls experience, what is the best way to fit this Rokh to make killing cruisers a breeze? I dont want to torpedoe the fit and I would prefer railgun but can resort back to blaster if I must. Here is the following fit.

- 8x Dual 250mm Railgun II (using Spike and Javalins)

- 1x Sensor Booster II (range script)
- 3x Tracking Computers II ( 2 using tracking scripts, 1 for range)
- 1x Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
- 1x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

- 2X Magnetic Field Stabalizers II
- 2X Tracking Enhancers II
- 1x Damage Control II

- 1x Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
- 1x Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
- 1x Large Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster I

Now i will be in the Tech 2 Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster in 5 days. After testing this on some of my friends orbiting at 15 to 20km going at 700m/s i get mostly misses with the occassional 400 hits using Javalin ammo. I'm unsure about how well the Spikes peform at135km.

To conclude, was I even remotely close to making a cruiser killer for a Rokh? Should i just turn the Rokh into a sniper and disregard the shielding rigs and midslots and damage control? Any criticism would be greatly appreciated.
Gorn Arming
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-05-27 04:29:57 UTC
You're wasting your time. The Rokh is the single worst battleship in the game for fighting smaller ships alone. You'll never stack enough tracking mods for them to make a difference--you could fill every slot with tracking gear and it would not be enough.

You can try it with tackle (scram + web, probably double web) along with a heavy neut, but you'd really only be baiting as you'll never actually catch anything that doesn't want to enter web range.

If for some reason I had to do this in a Rokh, I'd forget the hull bonus and use medium guns (and at least one heavy neut), and try for people coming in to bump when I reapproach a gate.
Iyokus Patrouette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-05-27 04:36:10 UTC
Sounds like you should just be flying a blapnado

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#4 - 2015-05-27 05:15:24 UTC
I thought these things were for smartbombing?

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Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#5 - 2015-05-27 05:29:13 UTC
Okay I have no idea if you're talking about PvE or PvP, but if it is for pvp then your fit is absolutely terrible and judging from that I assume you have little to no PvP experience. If this is the case, I'd strongly suggest against using a Rokh if you don't really know what you're doing. You're just going to lose it alot without getting any kills.

If you want more specific advice such as fittings you need to tell us exactly what you're planning to do other than just 'I want to fight Cruiser gankers'.
Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-05-27 06:11:11 UTC
If you're hell bent on the Rokh: dual-web, blasters, mwd. Essentially, a mini-Vindicator.

That said, don't try to kill cruisers with a Rokh. That is all.
Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-05-27 06:56:15 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
I thought these things were for smartbombing?


well that's a step up, they used to be for mining
Bruce Kemp
Suddenly taken over
#8 - 2015-05-27 07:12:26 UTC
[Rokh, Brawl]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Fourier Transform Tracking Program
Damage Control II

Large Micro Jump Drive
Warp Disruptor II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster I

Hammerhead II x5
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2015-05-27 07:57:23 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Bruce Kemp wrote:
[Rokh, Brawl]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Fourier Transform Tracking Program
Damage Control II

Large Micro Jump Drive
Warp Disruptor II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster I

Hammerhead II x5


Swap out a mag stab for a TE, replace neutrons with electrons and swap out the lmjd for a MWD.
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-05-27 17:31:47 UTC
Splinter Unit wrote:
fitting a Rokh


I think I found your problem.

Putting that aside for the moment, long range guns like rails, artillery, and beam lasers are very bad at hitting small targets at close range. The target smaller the target, the closer it is and the more angular velocity it has relative to your ship (the faster it moves across your screen perpendicular to your ship); the harder it will be to hit. You really would benefit from some study of how things like tracking, explosion velocity for missiles, signature radius, and transversal affect combat in EVE.

Basically if someone orbits you at 2000 meters in a cruiser, even if you web them your railguns will never hit them. Maybe once or twice out of a few hundred shots. A blaster Rokh with dual webs MIGHT hit a cruiser occasionally but I wouldn't expect great things. There are much better blaster brawling BS out there, like the megathron which gets a 37.5% tracking bonus or the Vindicator with 90% webs. The Rokh is just not a good hull, it can't do anything that can't be done much better by something else. If you want a railgun sniper, get a Naga. It is specifically designed to snipe with large rails and because it's a battlecruiser it is far more mobile.

If you are doing PvE (missions, ratting etc.) get a Megathron. If you want a blaster brawler, get a Megathron or Hyperion. If you want a rail sniper, get a Naga. If you want an expensive coffin, keep the Rokh.
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-05-27 17:34:31 UTC
And like the man said if you're new to PvP, don't start in battleships. And if a flashy yellow thing named Omar warps into your mission, don't shoot at it.
Anthar Thebess
#12 - 2015-05-28 13:33:59 UTC
Hitting a cruiser, this might be hard, unless you fit blasters, painters, and webs.

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#13 - 2015-05-28 13:38:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Omar Alharazaad
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
And like the man said if you're new to PvP, don't start in battleships. And if a flashy yellow thing named Omar warps into your mission, don't shoot at it.
Shocked
Never don't shoot Omar. Pirate
\o/

Edit: I am fourteen year old girl from Ukraine. I have no ISK, so I need to take your loot. Is okay, yes? Thanks in advance.Lol

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#14 - 2015-05-28 13:54:51 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
And like the man said if you're new to PvP, don't start in battleships. And if a flashy yellow thing named Omar warps into your mission, don't shoot at it.
Shocked
Never don't shoot Omar. Pirate
\o/

Edit: I am fourteen year old girl from Ukraine. I have no ISK, so I need to take your loot. Is okay, yes? Thanks in advance.Lol

Confirmed, Omar is fun to shoot, nothing bad will happenBig smile

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Splinter Unit
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2015-05-28 18:17:36 UTC
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
And like the man said if you're new to PvP, don't start in battleships. And if a flashy yellow thing named Omar warps into your mission, don't shoot at it.



I am definitely not new to PVP, i dont have the killmails to prove it but i tend to do anything and everything missiles. I am very new to hybrid guns and after scouring the internet on PVP battleships, they dont really seem to exists that much. They are mainly used for PVE. You would figure that battleships would be used to defend a nullsec system against cruiser fleets but the trueth i think is that PVP ships really tend to end with cruisers. Thank you for your help
Splinter Unit
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2015-05-28 18:26:12 UTC
Gorn Arming wrote:
You're wasting your time. The Rokh is the single worst battleship in the game for fighting smaller ships alone. You'll never stack enough tracking mods for them to make a difference--you could fill every slot with tracking gear and it would not be enough.

You can try it with tackle (scram + web, probably double web) along with a heavy neut, but you'd really only be baiting as you'll never actually catch anything that doesn't want to enter web range.

If for some reason I had to do this in a Rokh, I'd forget the hull bonus and use medium guns (and at least one heavy neut), and try for people coming in to bump when I reapproach a gate.



I will remember that. Appreciate it.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2015-05-28 19:40:51 UTC
You should try Megathron at some point.

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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#18 - 2015-05-28 21:53:11 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
And like the man said if you're new to PvP, don't start in battleships. And if a flashy yellow thing named Omar warps into your mission, don't shoot at it.
Shocked
Never don't shoot Omar. Pirate
\o/

Edit: I am fourteen year old girl from Ukraine. I have no ISK, so I need to take your loot. Is okay, yes? Thanks in advance.Lol



Do you have a (slightly) older sister?
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#19 - 2015-05-29 03:05:42 UTC
I do have sister. She is mean to me. You can have her for one billion ISK, she will double it.
I swear.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2015-05-30 06:17:07 UTC
Splinter Unit wrote:
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
And like the man said if you're new to PvP, don't start in battleships. And if a flashy yellow thing named Omar warps into your mission, don't shoot at it.



I am definitely not new to PVP, i dont have the killmails to prove it but i tend to do anything and everything missiles. I am very new to hybrid guns and after scouring the internet on PVP battleships, they dont really seem to exists that much. They are mainly used for PVE. You would figure that battleships would be used to defend a nullsec system against cruiser fleets but the trueth i think is that PVP ships really tend to end with cruisers. Thank you for your help




See my post here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=424059&find=unread

Apparently the class sux except for Gallente hulls, Armageddon, and a few faction Battleships(mostly Gallente based).
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