EVE General Discussion

Since I always enjoy reading Nosygamer's analyses, I welcome this development.

Unless you are letting people view you live running server, there's no reason for people to assume the code give out is the same as what's running on the server. People will always claim that their scams are not scams and throw around all the evidence they can, but it means absolutely nothing. Even using third party rollers it's trivial to shill ISK out of the system.

I'll note that you didn't deny the RMT which is interesting. Honestly, you're already talking about giving away hardware, so I find it hard to believe your end goal doesn't involve a cash return on that.

Like that somehow stops you using disposable shills not connected to your own accounts, or simply working in the same ways as the previous casinos?

So yes, you want to RMT, or at the very least run a business, something which is also strictly prohibited by the EULA. How hard is it to understand. You want to make a casino and make isk, fine. The moment you want to make cash, you're crossing the line. There's a reason there's incredibly tight restrictions on what CCP allows to be monetised.

And yet, you're aiming to set up a gambling site designed to make money and are handing out ISK and items to push that profit, that sounds dangerously like RMT even if you do ignore the potential for shilling isk out of the system for direct sale.

And no, it has nothing to do with any other casinos, even if you guys do get all mad on the stream . I'd quite happily see all of them shut down as every single one of them has the exact same potential for generating RMT profit. At the end of the day, this is a game. If you want to entertain and be entertained, great! if you want to make money, get a job. Monetisation of videos and apps is designed to help people with the operating costs of those, not to turn a fat profit.

Edit: Thanks by the way for being refreshingly open about your intentions to run this for cash. At the very least it's better than the ones pretending that's not what it's about. Unfortunately that honesty doesn't make it a good thing.

YEah, I'm pretty sure that's the argument Somer used too.

Even if you don't aim to (which I doubt) at some point you'll do it anyway, because what you care about is profit, so if you can do it you likely will.

Because this is a computer game, not a business venture. Every time some random come up with a great idea about how to make money while playing, the game dies a little. The real question is, why is it nor enough for you to simply entertain and be entertained? Why do you have to aim for profit? Why is playing EVE for fun not enough for you people?!?!?

Uhh, no, you're making yet another scambling site. In no way does that make EVE better for people. It's you trying to make quick cash off of an easy way to get people to part with their ISK.

Which is no real different from doing giveaways to drive your revenue. You're handing out ISK with the view to receive money, you've even admitted this.

I know you'd love to stir up a fuss as if the coalition I'm in has anything to do with this, but it's not. I'm not and have never been remotely involved in that and I'd happily see CCP shut that down too. You're grasping at straws here buddy. Somer was allowed until a vast number of players within the community, in my coalition and out, pointed out how they were spending ISK to turn a profit and how that conforms to the definition of RMT.

Twitch.tv is a business running completely separately from EVE which CCP allows players to stream videos through as it benefits CCP. If twitch started opening up accounts in EVE and handing out isk to push their profit margins, then yes, it would be a problem. If you were simply running a games site that was unconnected to EVE items and ISK in every way, then you can do whatever the hell you want if you don't violate CCPs IP. In the same way if you dealt exclusively in-game, you'd simply be part of the game. As you have it you're looking to run a business for cash that pushes profit with ISK. That's where it becomes a problem.

Think back. That moment you looked at that PLEX and though "hey, if I give this to people we'll get more revenue", right then, that's when you decided to become an RMTer.

It isnt RMT and im not sure you will ever understand that. There is no guarantee for us to get money off of any player, we are not requiring people to pay us or even go to our website so you should change that to, "hey, if I give this to people we might get more people visiting our website"

Thanks for your feedback, as misguided as it may be. We are always looking to improve our products and your input will help guide our decision making in the future. :)

Under that line of thinking, themittani.com and evenews24 will need to shut down due to paying writers ingame money to write articles for them that in turn make the website owners money.. And as has been stated in the past, 3rd party websites are allowed to promote their websites and make money via advertisements on their webpages.

Thanks for your continued feedback! We will continue forward since we believe we are following all rules set forth by CCP.