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Crews of Merc Clones Man Drake Ashigaru Alliance Vessels
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Matar Ronin
#1 - 2015-05-26 02:31:38 UTC
Drake Ashigaru Alliance is proud to announce we have achieved our goal of manning the crews of our entire fleet with merc clones, from frigates to dreadnoughts.

No longer will our capsuleer pilots have to compose letters of regret to the families of loyal crew members lost in combat operations.

It has taken us a while to get here but we are proud to be the first Alliance in New Eden to reach this goal.

It is costly initially but in the long run we gain crews that will only get better with each voyage and no training has to be repeated by replacement crews. It allows us to embark on more risky missions knowing that our crews will survive.

Looking to the future we suspect that boarding ships instead of destroying them will someday be common practice, we want our armored merc crews ready for that mission when it becomes possible.

We are Drake Ashigaru Alliance, small but with a vision for the future,
we will relentlessly serve the interests of Matari freedom for the rest of our unnatural lifespans.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Avio Yaken
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#2 - 2015-05-26 05:06:15 UTC
Wait....You are referring to Dusters right? I thought they can only reactivate a clone should they be near a CRU...Their implant does not work like ours in space last i checked....I might be wrong there....


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Matar Ronin
#3 - 2015-05-26 05:21:54 UTC
Avio Yaken wrote:
Wait....You are referring to Dusters right? I thought they can only reactivate a clone should they be near a CRU...Their implant does not work like ours in space last i checked....I might be wrong there....



Think for a moment, when all the CRUs on a battlefield have been destroyed and the MCC has been destroyed do the merc clones all die a permanent death? No they go back to where they are based on the other side of the cluster when required.

We do not have a need as yet to reanimate clones on board ship but in the future when boarding actions occur that may become a reality.

No magic here simply an expensive recruitment and training program, but well worth it in our eyes.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Avio Yaken
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#4 - 2015-05-26 05:38:04 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:

Think for a moment, when all the CRUs on a battlefield have been destroyed and the MCC has been destroyed do the merc clones all die a permanent death? No they go back to where they are based on the other side of the cluster when required.




Actually i think they go back to the warbarge that is in orbit...Then use that to bounce back home...The Duster Implant has very limited range if im not mistaken...The Warbarge acts as a transmitter of sorts...They carry their own kidns of CRU units

Thats possibly how dusters can be in their quarters and in a few minutes be in a warbarge on the other side of the cluster then deploy into battle....


Again i can be wrong...

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Matar Ronin
#5 - 2015-05-26 09:51:45 UTC
Avio Yaken wrote:
Matar Ronin wrote:

Think for a moment, when all the CRUs on a battlefield have been destroyed and the MCC has been destroyed do the merc clones all die a permanent death? No they go back to where they are based on the other side of the cluster when required.




Actually i think they go back to the warbarge that is in orbit...Then use that to bounce back home...The Duster Implant has very limited range if im not mistaken...The Warbarge acts as a transmitter of sorts...They carry their own kidns of CRU units

Thats possibly how dusters can be in their quarters and in a few minutes be in a warbarge on the other side of the cluster then deploy into battle....


Again i can be wrong...

The war barge that is in space.

Surely you see this does not preclude equipping other ships with this now common technology for another simpler purpose. Our scientists labored long and hard to modify and perfect the technology for this usage which needed to cover a far shorter distance than from orbit to the surface of a planet.

Fortunately the device can be set to transfer the crew when a ship reaches a predetermined level of structural damage, initiates a self destruct sequence, or is triggered by the capsuleer pilot himself.

We are happy to share our data and schematics with all allies of the Matari people, let's reduce the number of permanent deaths associated with interstellar flight. Crews need suffer dire consequences no longer, they can be returned home to the loving embrace of the families they work to support.

We have sent a patented version to both the Minmatar Republic and the Gallente Federation for their analysis and possible use. As events unravel we may send copies to Concord and the DED but their ties to the slavery cult empire and the Caldari State have caused us to pause before we do so.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#6 - 2015-05-26 09:56:45 UTC
Why not just skip the CRU step and just grow tens of millions of clones? I mean, granted, you probably don't have the facilities for that many clones. But this is not exactly a new idea. It's been done for nearly a century or more.
Wendrika Hydreiga
#7 - 2015-05-26 09:58:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Wendrika Hydreiga
Mister Yaken is right. As a Dust soldier, our skulls are already cramped enough by the implant and dropsuit interface to include a fluid router. And fluid routers aren't exactly compact...

Not only that, but training and producing a single Infantry costs millions of ISK. Manning a single frigate would cost several times more than the cost of the hull, and the implant needs to be intact to keep the neuronal map fidelity at an acceptable level! Which is pretty hard when a ship goes boom!

You'd be better off using drones as crew members. Or zombies, if you're a silly Sansha.
Matar Ronin
#8 - 2015-05-26 10:06:20 UTC
Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:
Mister Yaken is right. As a Dust soldier, our skulls are already cramped enough by the implant and dropsuit interface to include a fluid router. And fluid routers aren't exactly compact...

Not only that, but training and producing a single Infantry costs millions of ISK. Manning a single frigate would cost several times more than the cost of the hull, and the implant needs to be intact to keep the neuronal map fidelity at an acceptable level! Which is pretty hard when a ship goes boom!

You'd be better off using drones as crew members. Or zombies, if you're a silly Sansha.

I was not aware clone mercs had access to the IGS, when did this take place?

Oh right you are the person who speaks in jest all the time, sorry for a moment I thought you really were presenting yourself as a clone merc, ha ha that is a good one indeed!

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Cakzad Arcashiri
Arcashiri Family
#9 - 2015-05-26 12:19:17 UTC
Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:
Mister Yaken is right. As a Dust soldier, our skulls are already cramped enough by the implant and dropsuit interface to include a fluid router. And fluid routers aren't exactly compact...

Not only that, but training and producing a single Infantry costs millions of ISK. Manning a single frigate would cost several times more than the cost of the hull, and the implant needs to be intact to keep the neuronal map fidelity at an acceptable level! Which is pretty hard when a ship goes boom!

You'd be better off using drones as crew members. Or zombies, if you're a silly Sansha.


I agree. My combat ships are crewed with modified Caretaker Drones, which has proven to be a much more effective strategy.

"I give to you the destiny of Faith,

And you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens:

Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given."

- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 22:13
Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
#10 - 2015-05-26 12:21:03 UTC
Caretaker Drones eh?

Why are you people so worried about the death of 'Baseliners'? There's quite enough of 'em to crew our ships for many, many, many years to come. And when they are reaching extinction? Well then we can clone their arses.

We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
Wendrika Hydreiga
#11 - 2015-05-26 12:22:38 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
I was not aware clone mercs had access to the IGS, when did this take place?

Oh right you are the person who speaks in jest all the time, sorry for a moment I thought you really were presenting yourself as a clone merc, ha ha that is a good one indeed!


Your first mistake was announcing the inclusion of technology that you have absolutely no idea how it works and its limitations as an alternative to baseliner ship crews. Specially where there are less impratical (and illegal) alternatives available.

Your second mistake was assuming I'm not actually a trained Infantry Logistics with Templar training and have first hand experience with Sleeper implants. Or that I don't have mastery in a plethora of other scientific fields. Or that the way I behave and act is a corollary of what I'm capable of!

Don't underestimate me!
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#12 - 2015-05-26 12:56:47 UTC
A horrible idea, and an approach to the 'problem'.
With the all ideas already presented above 8some better and some worse), there's an even simpler and older solution to it:

Escape pods.

Your plan is the equivalent of fitting a pair of Kreiss' personalized gyrostabilizers on a Slasher class frigate. - Good on paper at a first glance, idiotic in reality.
  • Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim

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Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#13 - 2015-05-26 16:07:54 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:

I was not aware clone mercs had access to the IGS, when did this take place?

Really man, did you just crawl out from under a rock? This is why people don't take us seriously.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#14 - 2015-05-26 16:24:58 UTC
Almost seems that Mr Ronin here is channeling the essence of borkstar.
heh.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
#15 - 2015-05-26 17:42:04 UTC
Leopold Caine wrote:
A horrible idea, and an approach to the 'problem'.
With the all ideas already presented above 8some better and some worse), there's an even simpler and older solution to it:

Escape pods.

Your plan is the equivalent of fitting a pair of Kreiss' personalized gyrostabilizers on a Slasher class frigate. - Good on paper at a first glance, idiotic in reality.


I really hate to have to agree with Leopold Caine on anything, but he has a point.

Alexylva Paradox prides itself on not permanently killing its crewmembers, and we have backups made of all of our crews, and the cloning facilities available to re-life them in the event of vessel destruction.

We're not using clone mercenaries, we're just making regular RNGRI backups. Why aren't we using clone mercenaries? Well for one because they're just about the most expensive people we could possibly crew a ship with outside of using capsuleers for the whole crew. And for two, clone mercs are ground troops, retraining them in shipboard operations is much more laborious then simply providing backups to already skilled crews.

So while I admire your ideals, and would encourage you to continue pursuing them, there are much cheaper and easier ways of going about the goal of avoiding crew deaths.

Also, escape pods.

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Matar Ronin
#16 - 2015-05-26 19:07:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Matar Ronin
Some of our operations take place deep in space controlled by the slavery cult and sometimes far into uninhabited wormhole space, escape pods that lead to enslavement are not an option our crews would select, slow death in an escape pod deep in a wormhole is not always a good way to go either.

Matari life is precious, the crews will generate more than the cost of their refit into clone mercs as time passes, some investments are long term.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#17 - 2015-05-26 19:15:00 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
Escape pods that lead to enslavement are not an option our crews would select, slow death in an escape pod deep in a wormhole is not always a good way to go either.

Matari life is precious, the crews will generate more than the cost of their refit into clone mercs as time passes, some investments are long term.

Then supply them with Kresh tea, I dunno.

Death is always not an option, but people die nonetheless.

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Avio Yaken
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#18 - 2015-05-26 19:34:32 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:

The war barge that is in space.

Surely you see this does not preclude equipping other ships with this now common technology for another simpler purpose. Our scientists labored long and hard to modify and perfect the technology for this usage which needed to cover a far shorter distance than from orbit to the surface of a planet.

Fortunately the device can be set to transfer the crew when a ship reaches a predetermined level of structural damage, initiates a self destruct sequence, or is triggered by the capsuleer pilot himself.

We are happy to share our data and schematics with all allies of the Matari people, let's reduce the number of permanent deaths associated with interstellar flight. Crews need suffer dire consequences no longer, they can be returned home to the loving embrace of the families they work to support.

We have sent a patented version to both the Minmatar Republic and the Gallente Federation for their analysis and possible use. As events unravel we may send copies to Concord and the DED but their ties to the slavery cult empire and the Caldari State have caused us to pause before we do so.



Well it would had been nice if you mentioned that in the original post as it kinda leads to confusion if you don't mention how exactly it works.....and i am a ally to the republic...well...a Mercenary that has done more than enough work for them to consider me one....May i get a copy of the schematics?

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Matar Ronin
#19 - 2015-05-26 20:05:44 UTC
It is good to note you work for the Republic. You are now on a list of allies that will receive copies once we can verify their combat records and affiliations. I for one have no love for shooting Caldari and the sooner we establish a cease fire or mutual non-aggression pact the better!

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Soren Tyrhanos
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#20 - 2015-05-27 01:43:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Soren Tyrhanos
Matar Ronin wrote:

I was not aware clone mercs had access to the IGS, when did this take place?


They might not directly....this however does not stop one taking a brief few minutes to talk to them to perhaps become better informed about their nature.
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