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Best ship for hauling for beginners?
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Nicolas Oksaras
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-05-26 14:24:54 UTC
I've been playing eve for a while and all I have been doing is just mining and scanning sites for fun. I then realized I NEED some isk. I think I would like to get into hauling and I want to get a ship that is not too much for a beginner and can make a good amount of isk in.

What would be a good hauling ship for beginners?
Thalos Elongus
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2015-05-26 14:59:49 UTC
Hi

There are several options.

For starters i would start with galente, since the offer the most versitality.
You have some excelent hauling ships for PI (Epithal) , Minerals (Kryos), "Smaller Cargo/More Fitting options" (Nereus 4.5 AU/s, only 50% Cargo space) and of course the iteron 5.

Its important that you dont overload these boats (no more than 100M or so max)

After that you can look at the Deep space transports / Blockade runners, which can carry some more value and finally freighters (No "Huge" difference here)
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#3 - 2015-05-26 15:10:23 UTC
Hauling will not give you much ISK.

Best blockade runner for the beginner is Wreathe with MWD and cloak. Learn how to do the MWD/cloak trick and you will be able to by pass many gate camps. I use something like this:
[Wreathe, ErgoDron]
Inertial Stabilizers II
Inertial Stabilizers II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II

Improved Cloaking Device II
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I

Giant Secure Container
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Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-05-26 15:41:23 UTC
Most public courier contracts will require you to have a freighter (due to cargo volume), several hundred million ISK for the collateral, or both.

If you're interested in hauling, try inter-region trading (buy stuff one place, haul, sell elsewhere)
Eric Raeder
No Fee Too High
#5 - 2015-05-26 17:50:58 UTC
Each race has a "fast" hauler and a "large" hauler. The latter aren't as useful as they may seem, they are only good for hauling large but low value cargo. To haul any seriously valuable cargo you need a ship that can fit a 10mn MWD so you can perform the maneuver "MWD cloak trick" (if you don't what that is google it). To fit a MWD on any of the "large" haulers requires giving up so many slots to powergrid increasing gear you wind up with less cargo space than a "fast" hauler which has plenty of grid to fit a MWD to start with. Since the "fast" haulers also accelerate to warp faster fitting the 'large' haulers for MWD cloak is pointless. The specialist haulers do have to fit some grid increasing gear to fit a MWD, but losing slots doesn't affect cargo space the way it does for the "large" hauler group, since their special holds were never affected by cargo expander modules or rigs in the first place.

As far as race goes, I recommend taking the long view and thinking about what T2 haulers you would like to fly. You might train Gallente to level 3 or so to use their specialist T1 haulers, but you should only train a racial industrial skill to 5 if you plan on flying that race's T2 haulers. Personally I favor the minmatar haulers for the very simple reason they are quickest accelerating to warp. There is no better way to avoid being ganked than to simply get to warp before the potential ganker can react.
Nicolas Oksaras
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-05-26 20:49:52 UTC
Eric Raeder wrote:
Each race has a "fast" hauler and a "large" hauler. The latter aren't as useful as they may seem, they are only good for hauling large but low value cargo. To haul any seriously valuable cargo you need a ship that can fit a 10mn MWD so you can perform the maneuver "MWD cloak trick" (if you don't what that is google it). To fit a MWD on any of the "large" haulers requires giving up so many slots to powergrid increasing gear you wind up with less cargo space than a "fast" hauler which has plenty of grid to fit a MWD to start with. Since the "fast" haulers also accelerate to warp faster fitting the 'large' haulers for MWD cloak is pointless. The specialist haulers do have to fit some grid increasing gear to fit a MWD, but losing slots doesn't affect cargo space the way it does for the "large" hauler group, since their special holds were never affected by cargo expander modules or rigs in the first place.

As far as race goes, I recommend taking the long view and thinking about what T2 haulers you would like to fly. You might train Gallente to level 3 or so to use their specialist T1 haulers, but you should only train a racial industrial skill to 5 if you plan on flying that race's T2 haulers. Personally I favor the minmatar haulers for the very simple reason they are quickest accelerating to warp. There is no better way to avoid being ganked than to simply get to warp before the potential ganker can react.

So, it seems like I would want to get a fast hauler and equip a MWD
on it, so what would be the "fast hauler" for each race?
Paranoid Loyd
#7 - 2015-05-26 20:56:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Nicolas Oksaras wrote:
So, it seems like I would want to get a fast hauler and equip a MWD
on it, so what would be the "fast hauler" for each race?
Badger, Nereus, Wreathe, Sigil

But if we are starting at the beginning, Magnate makes a decent low volume hauler with it's four low slots. Gets up to 1600 m3 max cargo fit.

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Vincenzo Arbosa
Locust Assets
#8 - 2015-05-26 22:17:23 UTC
What are you going to do with this hauler to make ISK?

Elena mentioned it above, and I think it is important to note. Courier contracts will normally require a large hold and/or high collateral. Are you using this for trade?
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Nicolas Oksaras
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-05-26 23:57:12 UTC
Vincenzo Arbosa wrote:
What are you going to do with this hauler to make ISK?

Elena mentioned it above, and I think it is important to note. Courier contracts will normally require a large hold and/or high collateral. Are you using this for trade?

I'm just going to be using this ship for trading.
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#10 - 2015-05-27 07:24:15 UTC  |  Edited by: erg cz
Nicolas Oksaras wrote:

I'm just going to be using this ship for trading.


Trading... Hauling your own goods by yourself can end like this. Even wreathe is100 % safe if fitted miserable (no mwd/cloak) and sent autopiloting.

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Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#11 - 2015-05-27 16:10:18 UTC
I haul a lot of high value cargo in an Astero which is the quickest cov-ops ship to train into. A stratios will carry more cargo. Did you get one of the free Yachts? It might be a good option.

You mentioned mining -- you aren't using a Venture are you?
Julius Cabeki
Huola Industrial Development
#12 - 2015-05-27 20:06:24 UTC
A prophecy can fit over 100 000 ehp tank with passive hardeners and has 400 m cargo space.

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Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II x 3
Energized Explosive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

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Paranoid Loyd
#13 - 2015-05-27 21:45:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
You need a T2 cloak for the MWD Cloak trick to work. If you are going to use a BC to haul, the Gnosis does the job best.

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Delegate
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-05-27 23:34:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Delegate
The first fit here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5261708#post5261708
is quite good (even in low-sec) provided you pay attention to what you do and have dock/undock bookmarks. Also has a good warp speed and looks nice. Not much skills required.
Paranoid Loyd
#15 - 2015-05-28 00:33:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Delegate wrote:
The first fit here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5261708#post5261708
is quite good (even in low-sec) provided you pay attention to what you do and have dock/undock bookmarks. Also has a good warp speed and looks nice. Not much skills required.

T2 Expanders and Nanos should be used, I was just mirroring what the OP already posted as I wasn't sure if she could fit the T2 stuff. That being said, there is no reason anyone should be flying around without hull upgrades trained to level 2 which is the requirement to fit the T2 Nanos and Expanders.

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Anthar Thebess
#16 - 2015-06-03 09:17:52 UTC
erg cz wrote:
Hauling will not give you much ISK.

Best blockade runner for the beginner is Wreathe with MWD and cloak. Learn how to do the MWD/cloak trick and you will be able to by pass many gate camps. I use something like this:
[Wreathe, ErgoDron]
Inertial Stabilizers II
Inertial Stabilizers II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II

Improved Cloaking Device II
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I

Giant Secure Container
Giant Secure Container
Giant Secure Container


Very soft target for me.
Don't use active hards they are worthless against alpha ships.
Where is damage control?
It can save you if someone will not be using a tornado.
ps. LSE is a must.

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erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#17 - 2015-06-03 14:46:50 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:


Very soft target for me.
Don't use active hards they are worthless against alpha ships.
Where is damage control?
It can save you if someone will not be using a tornado.
ps. LSE is a must.


Soft, yes, cause it is not supposed to be hit by anything but smart bombs. Tornado needs to lock me first and if I appear only for 1 second before mwd/cloak and 1 sec after cloak drops = it is hard to lock me.

With last update changes it became possible to fit LSE and MWD even with low fitting skills:
[Wreathe, ErgoDron LSE]
Inertial Stabilizers II
Inertial Stabilizers II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Improved Cloaking Device II

Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I

Giant Secure Container
Giant Secure Container
Giant Secure Container

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Zad Murrard
Frozen Dawn Inc
Frozen Dawn Alliance
#18 - 2015-06-04 05:04:47 UTC
Thrasher/Catalyst with cargo expanders. Works only in highsec.
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#19 - 2015-06-04 11:00:49 UTC
Zad Murrard wrote:
Thrasher/Catalyst with cargo expanders. Works only in highsec.


Magnate has higher speed, better agility, more slots for cargo expanders. Same basic cargo hold as Thrasher.

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