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Please, for the sake of my sanity, introduce Tags4Standings already

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2015-05-26 10:17:34 UTC

Moac Tor wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:


You can if you pay enough ISK. Did you know how the Character Bazaar works?


Someone has still trained those skills.


If you read any of Zappity's posts, the suggestion was for someone else to grind them and then be able to sell the standing for proceeds.

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Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#82 - 2015-05-26 10:31:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Moac Tor
Sibyyl wrote:

Moac Tor wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:


You can if you pay enough ISK. Did you know how the Character Bazaar works?


Someone has still trained those skills.


If you read any of Zappity's posts, the suggestion was for someone else to grind them and then be able to sell the standing for proceeds.


Alright, if we are bringing the character bazaar into the equation then you already have the option to buy a character with a high faction standing.

Having a one day old character jumping into a titan, and having a new player buy a 10 year old titan pilot from the bazaar are two completely separate scenarios which you are conflating.

What you are arguing for is to circumvent the game progression mechanics because you feel entitled to access all the content from day one.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#83 - 2015-05-26 10:39:23 UTC
Moac Tor wrote:
What you are arguing for is to circumvent the game progression mechanics...

Yes. Because as the dev explained EVE shouldn't have them.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#84 - 2015-05-26 10:56:28 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Moac Tor wrote:
What you are arguing for is to circumvent the game progression mechanics...

Yes. Because as the dev explained EVE shouldn't have them.

Hmmm, ok, eve shouldn't have progression mechanics.......

The same mechanics that have been a fundamental part of the game for the previous 12 years.

I think that comment reveals all about this particular thread and suggestion.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#85 - 2015-05-26 11:02:01 UTC
Moac Tor wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Moac Tor wrote:
What you are arguing for is to circumvent the game progression mechanics...

Yes. Because as the dev explained EVE shouldn't have them.

Hmmm, ok, eve shouldn't have progression mechanics.......

The same mechanics that have been a fundamental part of the game for the previous 12 years.

I think that comment reveals all about this particular thread and suggestion.

Well my suggestion was not as severe as that. I wouldn't mind retaining the progression mechanics as long as someone else does the grind and I pay them for it. Win win.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Anthar Thebess
#86 - 2015-05-26 11:18:58 UTC
YES! PLS!

Caldari tags for gallente standings ( Correct? I don't do FW either )
Etc.
Pirate Tags (overseer belongings ?) for Concord Standings!
Anthar Thebess
#87 - 2015-05-26 11:27:13 UTC
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
Hum. If you can think of a system that'll work, feel free to post it to Features and Ideas and I'll try and pass it upwards. Big smile


Do it! Pls.
Just make easier to lose those standings , and give players ability to buy standings for faction tags.

You will create new piece of economy and new player to player interaction.

How you can loose standings :
- ganking in a faction space
- becoming a suspect in space controlled by specific militia (exclude the kill right activation)
- smuggling
- fighting opposite FW
- killing faction NPC

Gaining standings :
Slow:
- missions
- COSMOS
Fast (but costly):
- using opposite faction tags

Concord Standings Gains :
(the most costly)
- by delivering (for no isk) Overseer belongings

In all those cases we also reducing the isk sink by not introducing new ISK from :
- selling tags
- selling overseer belongings


Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#88 - 2015-05-26 11:34:43 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Moac Tor wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Moac Tor wrote:
What you are arguing for is to circumvent the game progression mechanics...

Yes. Because as the dev explained EVE shouldn't have them.

Hmmm, ok, eve shouldn't have progression mechanics.......

The same mechanics that have been a fundamental part of the game for the previous 12 years.

I think that comment reveals all about this particular thread and suggestion.

Well my suggestion was not as severe as that. I wouldn't mind retaining the progression mechanics as long as someone else does the grind and I pay them for it. Win win.

And instead of trying to avoid and circumvent the grind because you feel entitled to access everything from day one, why not ask CCP to keep the progression, and recognise that having achievements and a sense of progression is a fundamental part of the game, but make that progression and grind a lot more interesting.

So instead of being a boring grind it is something fun which will have you running into low sec to fight real pirates, or procuring items to stock a factions market hub, and many other ideas that I haven't thought about. You'd probably get a lot more agreement with that line of argument.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#89 - 2015-05-26 12:43:52 UTC
Moac Tor wrote:
So instead of being a boring grind it is something fun which will have you running into low sec to fight real pirates, or procuring items to stock a factions market hub...

See, these are activities that I do already. For fun and a sense of accomplishment. The problem with the current system is that in order to unlock certain content I need to STOP doing this and carry some stupid piece of paper across the region.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#90 - 2015-05-26 13:55:23 UTC
AFAIK there is already a system in place that allows to you to "buy" standing with factions with tokens.

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Wendrika Hydreiga
#91 - 2015-05-26 14:37:04 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
AFAIK there is already a system in place that allows to you to "buy" standing with factions with tokens.


Well, I'm afraid you are incorrect. Unless you mean the already mentioned Datacenter missions, which can be only done once in a lifetime and are an important sidestep in "The Plan" to repair your faction standings.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#92 - 2015-05-26 15:25:26 UTC
Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
AFAIK there is already a system in place that allows to you to "buy" standing with factions with tokens.


Well, I'm afraid you are incorrect. Unless you mean the already mentioned Datacenter missions, which can be only done once in a lifetime and are an important sidestep in "The Plan" to repair your faction standings.


Which brings us to the critical part: make a wise decision.

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Endecroix
Doomheim
#93 - 2015-05-26 16:23:01 UTC
Vic Jefferson wrote:
No. Absolutely not. LP is already far to valuable for a resource that can be infinitely farmed and created in the safety of High Sec. Tags for standing would be better served if they were similar to clone solider tags, such that Low/NPC null actually continue to develop unique resources, further differentiating and supporting them as unique areas.


But it is predominately gained in large amounts in Lowsec. If you have a problem with valuable resources that can be infinitely farmed in safety then you need to have a look at nullsec exploration and wormhole PVE.
Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#94 - 2015-05-27 05:11:10 UTC
+1.

I like to rat and blap in low sec. If there are new faction NPC rats that'll drop tags, it should usher in more low sec activity.

Do it CCP.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#95 - 2015-05-27 05:27:31 UTC
Only if you get sick standing losses with other empire factions when you raise opposing empire standings.
This losses must be really significant as in "do not go to that space anymore because you get instshot by Navy".
Then, and only then, a faction standing for tags can be acceptable.

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Sun Kil-Moon
Cascade Corporation
#96 - 2015-05-27 15:00:00 UTC
The biggest problem is the standings going down whenever another factions standings go up. That see-sawing is the grind and it's really what needs to be changed. I don't like the idea of turning in tags for standings. There are other things they could do like get a person sign-up for a paid account and then get the faction bonus of your choice. That sounds like a win-win for everyone including CCP.
Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#97 - 2015-05-27 17:01:36 UTC
there is ways to do this with out repeatedly running the missions,

some things in this game statically spawn. (clue)

also a probe launcher and combat probes may also be of benefit. (clue)

i used to a have favorite lil place in colelie where i could always get some easy kills and a crack some decent loot.

then one day i noticed i was absolutely killing my caldari faction .

so you can find the standings you want , you may have to hunt them down however.

and sometimes you may have to chase some one off their missions to improve your standings

the point being is that your going to have to go about in a not so straightforward fashion. but with a lil ingenuity some luck and some balsy actions you may just be able to pull off increasing your faction, causing some tears . profiting, and maybe be able to have a lil fun in doing so.

read up on the cosmos and the epic arcs, find the mtd, ????????????? Profit or in this case faction up!
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#98 - 2015-05-28 00:44:36 UTC
Sun Kil-Moon wrote:
The biggest problem is the standings going down whenever another factions standings go up. That see-sawing is the grind and it's really what needs to be changed. I don't like the idea of turning in tags for standings. There are other things they could do like get a person sign-up for a paid account and then get the faction bonus of your choice. That sounds like a win-win for everyone including CCP.


Is it a problem, or a matter of design?
It's relatively easy to get good standings with all empire factions, but to get excellent standings with one requires a trade off in the standings with the opposition.
I believe it is possible to raise standings without adverse effect through the SoE epic arc.
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#99 - 2015-05-28 05:29:12 UTC
Moac Tor wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Moac Tor wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Moac Tor wrote:
What you are arguing for is to circumvent the game progression mechanics...

Yes. Because as the dev explained EVE shouldn't have them.

Hmmm, ok, eve shouldn't have progression mechanics.......

The same mechanics that have been a fundamental part of the game for the previous 12 years.

I think that comment reveals all about this particular thread and suggestion.

Well my suggestion was not as severe as that. I wouldn't mind retaining the progression mechanics as long as someone else does the grind and I pay them for it. Win win.

And instead of trying to avoid and circumvent the grind because you feel entitled to access everything from day one, why not ask CCP to keep the progression, and recognise that having achievements and a sense of progression is a fundamental part of the game, but make that progression and grind a lot more interesting.

So instead of being a boring grind it is something fun which will have you running into low sec to fight real pirates, or procuring items to stock a factions market hub, and many other ideas that I haven't thought about. You'd probably get a lot more agreement with that line of argument.



This should be the most + post. We're reading that Zappity wants to circumvent certain game elements towards self progression. This is like a 1 day old piloting a Titan and unlike a 10,000 day old piloting a titan, because the 1 day old is looking to trade ISK/PLEX for avoiding progression, while the 10,000 day old is bought on bazaar market and the progression still exists.'

It's a very apt analogy of what this person making this thread wants.

Enjoy the game for the gameplay's sake or play a different game. HTFU, etc.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices

Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2015-05-28 06:53:40 UTC
13kr1d1 wrote:
Enjoy the game for the gameplay's sake or play a different game. HTFU, etc.
Low-quality troll.

You're missing the fact that EVE is based on player interaction.

Following your poorly-thought reasoning, you should HTFU and build yourself every single item you use, including gathering all resources on your own (mining, moon mining, sleeper loot, data/relic salvage, all PI materials, etc.).

Zappity's idea is good and fits perfectly with any other tradeable good or service in the game.

Give PVE-lovers something more to do and make ISK with, and all other players the opportunity to pay them for something they'd gladly pay for, but don't have the time and/or inclination to procure on their own.

Makes perfect sense, don't really understand why anyone playing EVE would oppose this.

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