EVE General Discussion

There can be only one.

Because that would tarnish their egos. Some people are so high and mighty, that playing the game in any other way than their own, is unspeakable. Also, people, if it weren't for npc corps, or highsec, you wouldn't have any ships or parts to fit. Yall seem to keep forgetting that.

I suppose it still hasn't occurred to you that some of the most prolific and seasoned industrialists in all of the game are CODE members, has it?

You greatly overestimate your importance to the game. As for Heehaw over there, he's rambling on about how affecting other players isn't just combat, but blithely ignoring the fact that, even if he's not shooting at other people, he is having an effect on their gameplay, an effect to which they should have the recourse of killing him.

See I haven't been playing long enough for Code to mean a damned thing to me, sorry toots.

And you can easily infer that ego problem fella. Just look at any Solecist post.

Better add a second whoosh :p

I want NPC corps to be something besides the obviously superior option. Apparently that means "dead" to the people who cling to that golden goose.

As for "carebear" corps, I would rather they be transformed into more all rounder corps, not so skewed in one direction. More variety = more options = more fun.




That is the mandate of being in a player corp, yes. Go read the last war dev blog.

In exchange for the increased risk of being in a player corp, your rewards should be commensurately higher, that's why I want NPC corps nerfed. That whole risk vs reward thing.



Again, wrong. I simply want PvE to not be given credence as anything more than what it is; the sad necessity that the game requires for use as income generation. I do not want it done away with, but there is zero reason to waste time and money making "new" missions, since the playerbase has shown itself capable of math hammering out the solution to CCP's innovations in a matter of days, when it took CCP months to build it in the first place. That is definitively a waste of time.

But I do despise PvE, yes. It is banality incarnate, I would rather play Angry Birds with my thumbs broken than shoot red crosses for more than about forty minutes. I once actually fell asleep in a mission pocket, and my Paladin was still alive when I woke up. >.<





I don't think any of those things. I am, however, tired of having my playstyle take a backseat to yours, incessantly nerfed time and again merely because your side has cried louder in the past decade. So now I advocate for my cause, because if I don't, it's rather likely that you and yours will whine it out of existence.

The only thing you can claim as your play style that has been nerfed is high sec ganks, awoxing, and to a lesser degree war decs.
I'm wondering if this is CCP's risks vs reward?
Trying to force players into low/null/WH space for PVP by making it more challenging in high sec?

I mean, PVP combat is the most imbalanced RvW aspect of Eve.
Why go to low to get kills when you can bump and gank a freighter for a loot dump?

You make all the claims of RvW but refuse to see how the rewards for PVP in high sec are significantly greater than in low.

See, this entire thread has been about trying to take away my play style and force more of what you want on to me.
I have news for you, if you get the f out of high sec, you might just find what you're looking for.

In high sec, all you need is a cargo scanner and you'll know if ganking a freighter is worth it.
Whether based off cost efficiency, or based off potential drop.
I don't think any gank fleet would pass up a freighter filled with 2 bil in loot, let alone more.
In low, it's all about the kills. The potential for loot drop is a non-factor and people often ignore or destroy wrecks before they take the risk of looting them.
the risks in high sec are well worth the potential reward.
In low, you're not going to see a freighter, let alone one with massive loot potential.

So yeah, I would say the benefit outweighs the risks in high sec.
Not to mention, you can wardec an easy target and not have to worry about another roam catching up with you.

All good points.
Now, explain to me why these people that do all the ganks and war decs aren't in low sec?
Too much of a challenge perhaps?

I would also like to add, that I've managed to fish from everyone that killing in high sec is completely plausible, and based on the comment I just quoted, is completely balanced.

So why then are so many people focusing on trying to make PVP more prevalent in high sec?
It appears to me, through all the comments I've managed to fish up, everything is working as intended.

Move along, nothing to see here.

You are right that there are many reasons people engage in predatory wardecs and ganking in highsec, but I am still amazed people pull the eBushido card of "lowsec/nullsec is too hard for you" so regularly. Criminals and pirates are going to follow the prey and for better or for worse most of that prey lives and operates in highsec. These ne'er-do-wells are not looking for a fair fight (nor is pretty much anyone anywhere in New Eden), so I don't know why people act all surprised that wardeccers and gankers hunt prey in highsec.

Couple that with the propensity of highsec dwellers to fly blinged out ships and overload their haulers that they don't bother defending and you have the ideal hunting grounds full of many fat targets for a player looking for profit or juicy kills.

Back to the topic of the thread, the problem with NPC corps is not that they exist and provide safety to risk-averse players, it is that they are overly lucrative. You should be able to stay in a un-wardeccable NPC corp for your entire Eve career if you want. However, that should not be the optimal way to make an income in the sandbox as it is in many cases today. Allowing NPC corps to shield players from conflict in a PvP-centric game which has a complex economy built upon continual destruction is just weak game design.

My prescription? Have the tax creep up over time (a bit) and eliminate the holes that allow players to have the benefits of a player corp without any of the responsibilities. Add income benefits to being in a player corp, but ones that depend on structures in space that have to be defended. Also, make them such that they increase over time with the continued life and combined effort of a corporation (like sov indexes) so that rolling a corp is much less attractive. Players might then form larger, balanced PvE/PvP corps and actually defend them from aggressors instead of taking the path of least resistance and folding or jumping to another corp.

The new, casual and risk-averse can still mine some rocks and mission with friends without fear of a wardec. But competitive players will be incentivized to use these structures and mount a defense of them if they want to compete with the other producers and get their share of the Eve economy.