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Ok got to come up with some new ideas for combat in HS.

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Madrax573
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-05-26 04:49:47 UTC
Right it seems like CCP are making high sec even more locked up that it ever was.

Can't awox now with the new friendly fire legal switch being 'on' as standard.....


Hmmm....

I don't fancy suicide ganking as I sometimes like to actually just fly around and do stuff with my main character (This one btw I can't be arsed with alts)

Maybe even have to start my own corp and just have a go at doing some wardecs once I find some likely targets. Problem with this approach is a new toon...so not much SP so I have a very small engagement profile. Might be an interesting challenge though.

With crime watch system now it seems that things like loot baiting is also on the chopping block....How about mission flipping etc are they still doable with the new sec system in place?

AND

Do you think this is possible with a missile specced toon as I don't want to follow trend like a sheep and use hybrids
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#2 - 2015-05-26 05:42:00 UTC
Yes, mission flipping still works.
You can try it with a missile boat, but most don't deliver the dps necessary to crack many tanks... those that do generally aren't soft and cute and cuddly looking enough for intended victims to take the bait.
The reason hybrids are popular is that they work. Some folks have had some success with projectiles as well.
You might have some luck with the amarr rocket assault frigate. Let me know how it works, as I'm a bit curious myself.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Madrax573
Doomheim
#3 - 2015-05-26 05:49:23 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Yes, mission flipping still works.
You can try it with a missile boat, but most don't deliver the dps necessary to crack many tanks... those that do generally aren't soft and cute and cuddly looking enough for intended victims to take the bait.
The reason hybrids are popular is that they work. Some folks have had some success with projectiles as well.
You might have some luck with the amarr rocket assault frigate. Let me know how it works, as I'm a bit curious myself.


Cool at least something still allows you to mess with people in high.

I suppose I could train up hybrids as it fits with caldari ships....hmmm
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#4 - 2015-05-26 05:57:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Omar Alharazaad
Most important is to find a ship that you enjoy flying that is capable of both breaking the target's tank and has the staying power to see things through to the end.
Everyone who engages in these activities has their own personal preferences, but I personally have much love for the Ishkur for this. It's beefy tank, low sig radius, and dual weapons platforms give it a great deal of versatility on the fly and a fairly wide engagement profile. It is on the other hand, quite slow (for an assault frigate) and vulnerable to ships that can track it well enough to apply their full damage.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Madrax573
Doomheim
#5 - 2015-05-26 06:05:56 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Most important is to find a ship that you enjoy flying that is capable of both breaking the target's tank and has the staying power to see things through to the end.
Everyone who engages in these activities has their own personal preferences, but I personally have much love for the Ishkur for this. It's beefy tank, low sig radius, and dual weapons platforms give it a great deal of versatility on the fly and a fairly wide engagement profile. It is on the other hand, quite slow (for an assault frigate) and vulnerable to ships that can track it well enough to apply their full damage.


Yeah this is why in a past eve life I would use gallente or certain minnie ships. good dps, low sig etc etc.

I will eventually train this toon up in all races/weapons of course. But I would like to still to one race for now if you get me.

I might have a play with Eve HQ and see about hawk/harpy fits for such activities....pity about their sig though....
Alana Charen-Teng
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-05-26 10:14:50 UTC
Okay!
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#7 - 2015-05-26 11:20:00 UTC
You could try going to lowsec where people can shoot each other freely. Just a thought.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#8 - 2015-05-26 11:41:54 UTC
Zappity wrote:
You could try going to lowsec where people can shoot each other freely. Just a thought.



Whoa whoa whoa there!!!

If you get out of HS folks tend to be pvp fit and are equipped for and skilled at fighting back. What possible fun could come out of that?

Do you even pvp or are you just tossing out random thoughts??
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#9 - 2015-05-26 11:54:51 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Zappity wrote:
You could try going to lowsec where people can shoot each other freely. Just a thought.



Whoa whoa whoa there!!!

If you get out of HS folks tend to be pvp fit and are equipped for and skilled at fighting back. What possible fun could come out of that?

Do you even pvp or are you just tossing out random thoughts??


The people who need killing the most tend to stay out of lowsec anyway. Nevermind that they often have better loot drops in highsec, too. If you want, say, a faction battleship killmail, snowball's chance in hell of getting it in lowsec.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#10 - 2015-05-26 12:39:23 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Zappity wrote:
You could try going to lowsec where people can shoot each other freely. Just a thought.



Whoa whoa whoa there!!!

If you get out of HS folks tend to be pvp fit and are equipped for and skilled at fighting back. What possible fun could come out of that?

Do you even pvp or are you just tossing out random thoughts??

I'm sorry. I don't know what I was thinking.

Not that I have any problem with highsec action. I've been known to indulge in the occasional mission runner baiting. Shooting their MTUs can get a response.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Switch Savage
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-05-26 13:34:08 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Zappity wrote:
You could try going to lowsec where people can shoot each other freely. Just a thought.



Whoa whoa whoa there!!!

If you get out of HS folks tend to be pvp fit and are equipped for and skilled at fighting back. What possible fun could come out of that?

Do you even pvp or are you just tossing out random thoughts??


The people who need killing the most tend to stay out of lowsec anyway. Nevermind that they often have better loot drops in highsec, too. If you want, say, a faction battleship killmail, snowball's chance in hell of getting it in lowsec.


I disagree https://zkillboard.com/kill/46720291/. But in seriousness definitely richer pickings in high sec.
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#12 - 2015-05-26 15:00:40 UTC
If you want to use a hi-dps boat hybrids aren't necessary........rockets are almost as good as blasters in this respect and have zero tracking issues (which makes them ideal drone killers....).

I've had good results with t2-fit Kestrels and Condors, and the Vengeance (Amarr assault frig) is a armor tanky beast of Rocket Doom.

And do not forget the Talwar, which was designed to be a fast rocket boat. One of the few dessies that can actually speed tank......


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And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#13 - 2015-05-26 15:03:06 UTC
The myth about HS paladin whales is disproven here: https://zkillboard.com/kill/35968038/

Outright ganking of HS is a poor way of making very quick and very easy isk. I recommend against it.

As a gal that's been there and done that in HS - It's a thing, it's fun, BUT there is so much more out there. Duping noncombatants will always have a place. I just recommend against that being the ONLY place you hang out in.
Starbuck05
Abiding Ormolus
#14 - 2015-05-26 19:56:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Starbuck05
Why not create your own corp and recruit carebears then steal and explode the pants of em? Its called " reverse safari" . Granted some might question as to why your so called legitimate healthy and prospective corporation will have friendly fire legal, but then you can always answer with the folowing :

1 . We are old fashion and still practice the pod express to travel
2 . We like to shoot each other as celebration after every op success
3. Weekly pvp tournaments

Etc.

Be creative , good luck



If you need more tips about this feel free to mail me .

Oh p.s. : Always offer to move they're ships to your staging area via contract " item exchange" . You have no ideea how many are clueless.

Just because i am blond does not make me stoopid !

Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2015-05-26 21:51:12 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Zappity wrote:
You could try going to lowsec where people can shoot each other freely. Just a thought.



Whoa whoa whoa there!!!

If you get out of HS folks tend to be pvp fit and are equipped for and skilled at fighting back. What possible fun could come out of that?

Do you even pvp or are you just tossing out random thoughts??


The people who need killing the most tend to stay out of lowsec anyway. Nevermind that they often have better loot drops in highsec, too. If you want, say, a faction battleship killmail, snowball's chance in hell of getting it in lowsec.


The real place to get faction drops from kills is J-Space.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment

Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#16 - 2015-05-26 23:15:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Omar Alharazaad
Serendipity Lost wrote:
The myth about HS paladin whales is disproven here: https://zkillboard.com/kill/35968038/

Outright ganking of HS is a poor way of making very quick and very easy isk. I recommend against it.

As a gal that's been there and done that in HS - It's a thing, it's fun, BUT there is so much more out there. Duping noncombatants will always have a place. I just recommend against that being the ONLY place you hang out in.


Even though duping the unprepared is my primary activity online, I have to agree with this. Playing around in low or null every once in a while helps spice things up. Plus you get to hang with scary people and share the joy of being bad at eve together, or at each other, or just uncomfortably close to each other.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Madrax573
Doomheim
#17 - 2015-05-27 00:40:21 UTC
Hi Zappity, Glad you are still kicking around mate.

I will definitely be out in LS dukeing it out with whoever I can get a lock on to! But in my TZ (AU) HS is by far the most populated. Making it a 'target rich' environment. I just need to figure out some new ways of getting the target into a position where I can 'legally' kill them.

Starbuck05, I have thought about that as well. And giving me the ability to dec some juicy targets if I find them....might look more into it. Having a new toon will possibly aid me in the 'recruiting' or new marks!


Other than that I WILL be out flying in all areas of space as I don't like staying in one area too long at a time. So if you see me out and about lets trade some ammo! Twisted
Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#18 - 2015-05-31 00:23:19 UTC
Wow, I walked that exact path.

I'm a shield/missile griefer from way back and I've long been a fan of the 3 person corp.

The art of the game, IMO was always to fly crappy enough aircraft to where everyone wanted to fight you. Battle badgers, Griffins, and the like were a staple of my existence for a long time.

There are skilled people everywhere, but not that many. If you know your mechanics you'll probably find low more challenging than null(I found the skill level in low to be much higher than null)... But if you like interaction more than fighting then highsec is the only place to be.

I think regardless of where you go, there aren't that many really good players. Look carefully to learn from good ones in null and low. Don't let "doctrine" prevent learning.

Look me up in game if you need a home or some help getting going.

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Zealous Miner
Doomheim
#19 - 2015-05-31 01:27:05 UTC
Madrax573 wrote:

Do you think this is possible with a missile specced toon as I don't want to follow trend like a sheep and use hybrids

Could try gank fit stealth bombers? Maybe drone boats too like Vexors or an Algos, but you'd still be using hybrids.

Simply put though Gallente and Minmatar are all about Dat DPS.

Fedo. Fedo? Fedo!