EVE General Discussion

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Get lost.

Actually, it seems like the game might be pretty amenable to a tablet deal.

Maybe not to thumbing around on your cell phone, but honestly the way the interface feels a lot like it's designed for someone poking at the screen with a finger anyhow. Hotkey implementation so awkward it might as well not exist, the radial slide menus, driving by double-tapping on space, etc. Wouldn't be that many tweaks to make it work with a slab.

That said, CCP making an easy adaptation to make the interface more accessible is, how to phrase this positively... not gonna happen. We've been down the road of hoping for obvious features before, usually ends up as "the square brackets in space are now round.... MIND BLOWN".

Is it still afk cloaking if your tablet/phone is in your pocket?

Pocket cloaking

Please no. It would be such a horrible experience.
I and market pvp would go even more crazy

It's not just unpopular, but not using a mobile phone in this day and age is just plain ******* stupid.

Yes please, so i can manage my sales during workbreak

My boss would never allow me to install eve on my mac, but he can't control my mobile

I swore i replied to this thread.. anyway...

CCP tried this twice already. Once in 06/07 with the university of Iceland, students were working on a mobile client. The students graduated, and that project died.

Then with ccp's mobile division, which seems ot have been axed in the 'New Eden on PC' initiative in 2014.. but as ccp seems ot be going all over the bloody place again, this might get a revival.

I would LOVE to play eve on a tablet, or even have some minor functionality on a phone. But we will see

Thank you for that link. I work for a webhosting company that caters to soccer moms and we've had clients (including me) getting tons of spam from these folks all of the sudden. I know Facebook has a "It's not really spam if we're sending it even though the address is a spam honeypot that couldn't have signed up for an account" policy. Now it makes sense as to why we're getting it from these folks now as well.

One less thing I have to do today....

edit: Anyway, I thought that was this was:

https://github.com/ccpgames/unicorn

its obvious that this would help the game, still they prefered to burn their money on vampire games and other bullshit.. bad management decisions to not have a mobile client with limitations already

The technical challenges are significant for something like this. You have a few options that all basically suck balls.

You can hire a team to do a native iOS app against the Metal API. That means rewriting all of the game engine in objective-C. You then also have to hire a team to write a native android app in Java. That means re-writing the entire game engine again.

Both of those still have to communicate with TQ, and that means the core Python team has a ton of work to do on APIs.

A thin app wrapper around the game client will perform so badly it's a joke. But maybe we don't care about that. Then what about all the assets? Are you going to eat up 13 gigs on someone's mobile device? Are you going to scale them down? Okay, great, now you have new art teams involved with scaling assets so that they look remotely presentable on all the different mobile platforms that this can run on. And if you go with an app wrapper around the Python client, you still have to manage the performance overhead there.

Even if there were a way to project a massive increase in subs to justify hiring two completely new and very different teams (spoiler alert, there is no way to do that), you still have to bring in two teams with very different ideologies and programming paradigms from what CCP is used to, and you have to integrate the obj-C and Java people with the Python people.

Even if the money is there, this is a management nightmare. You will have conflict between teams who want to implement things differently. Some things that are easy in Python are challenging in obj-C, and vice versa, and the same goes for Java, so you have a three-way fight for every aspect of every piece of the game engine implementation.

Not to mention that you have 3x the code base to fix bugs in.

This is honestly one of the worst ideas I can think of in terms of CCP having a long, bright, healthy future. I really hope they don't try to do this.

Keeping up with the times is not an excuse for doing something stupid that has a good chance of wrecking the company, if executed well. And executing badly is just not something that should be considered.

Keep in mind that I'm not one of the people who thinks that CCP devs are stupid and incompetent. They have, in my opinion, a very righteous and well-placed hesitance to meddle with legacy code--an opinion shared, by the way, by almost every serious software developer, including people as notable as Jeff Atwood, who calls it the worst mistake you can ever make.

No. I'm voicing concerns here that are predicated on my enormous respect for the positive impact CCP has had on the Python community in general and the pypy project in particular.

Assuming the absolute best about CCP still leaves me with the thought that doing a mobile game client well is a truly terrible idea.
It's a terrible idea for the dev culture, it's a terrible idea for the money aspects, it's a terrible idea to fork the game engine into 3 different languages, it's a terrible idea to not do any of the 3 former things, and it's a terrible idea from any sane management point of view.

I really hope they don't do this.