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[Rigs] Repurpose or buff the useless rigs
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13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2015-05-15 02:38:43 UTC
Alexis Nightwish wrote:
Engine Thermal Shielding - This ship modification is designed to increase the duration of a ship's afterburner or microwarpdrive modules at the expense of armor amount.

Possibly useful for BC/BS but anything smaller wants reduced duration for slingshotting and other piloting techniques.

I'd rather have this reduce the amount of heat generation for OH of prop mods, or reduce the cap use and duration of prop mods.


Stasis Drone Augmentor - This ship modification is designed to increase a ship's stasis web drones' factor of velocity decrease at the expense of the ship's CPU capacity.

If the drones didn't suck this wouldn't suck. Would prefer if this gave an advantage to all EWAR drones so if the drones were ever fixed this rig would suddenly become useful.


Signal Disruption Amplifier - This ship modification is designed to reduce a ship's capacitor need for ECM and ECM Burst modules.

Like all the rigs that reduce cap usage for a set of modules, it's worthless because a CCC does the job better. Also, I would never use a rig slot and calibration for this when I can use a Particle Dispersion Augmentor (ECM strength). I don't know what this rig could be changed to to make it useful. The name already sounds like it's the ECM or damp strength rig, so at least I'd change the name, or axe the rig from the game.


Signal Focusing Kit - This ship modification is designed to increase the scan speed of modules which require the electronics skill (cargo scanner, ship scanner and survey scanner), at the expense of shields.

Sacrifice my shields to increase the speed of these modules? Wut? I'd rather see this rig increase the ship's sensor strength, and by a lot to make it worth using. Or by a little and remove the shield drawback.


Targeting Systems Stabilizer - This ship modification is designed to reduce a ship's targeting delay after de-cloaking at the expense of shields.

The benefit of this is a joke. Change it from -10%/-15% to -50%/-67% and change the penalty from shields to increased reactivation delay for cloaking modules.


Semiconductor Memory Cell - This ship modification is designed to increase a ship's capacitor capacity.

I never use this. The CCC gives better return for the same calibration. Nudging up the benefit would probably fix it. Ex: from +15%/+20% to +25%/+33%.


Algid [weapon type] Administrations Unit - In addition to your suggestions on this above, I'd like to see this added to projectile turrets. Currently it's only for lasers and hybrids.


[weapon type] Armbit Extension - This ship modification is designed to increase the accuracy falloff range of a ship's turrets at the expense of increased power grid need for them.

I would like to see the benefit increased as the Locus Coordinator (+optimal rig) gives the same bonus, but optimal is more beneficial. Increase the Armbit bonus from +15%/+20% to +25%/+33%.


Rocket Fuel Cache Partition - This ship modification is designed to increase maximum missile flight time at the expense of increased CPU requirements for launchers.

I never use these. Hydraulic Bay Thrusters give you the same range benefit, but you hit your target sooner, and for the same cost. I'd like to see the calibration cost reduced or the benefit increased slightly for the Fuel Cache Partition. Also remove the word 'Rocket' from the name as it confuses newbies who think it only affects rockets.


Ambits absolutely cannot be made better without making projectiles and rails insanely OP.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
Haatakan Reppola
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#22 - 2015-05-15 06:41:54 UTC
Alexis Nightwish wrote:


Engine Thermal Shielding
Longer duration = less cap/s so easier to be capstable, not ALWAYS what you want but sometimes its just the thing you want!

Semiconductor memory Cell
Usefull when you are not cap stable, extra do in some situations give longer cap life than faster regen

Rocked Fuel Cache
Give the same bonus as Hydraulic Bay Thrusters but combined it gives more than 2x thrusters (or 2 thrusters/1 fuel cashe)


Im sure there are situations where most rigs have a use, as long as the "worse" rigs come with less Calibration and cost there is a place for them
Iris Bravemount
Golden Grinding Gears
#23 - 2015-05-15 11:41:23 UTC
Alexis Nightwish wrote:
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Engine Thermal Shielding: As has been said above, sometimes this is what you want. I don't consider this rig useless at all.

Stasis Drone Augmentor: I agree, the webbing drones are bad, so we can't really tell if this rig is bad itself.

Signal Disruption Amplifier: I agree, the CCC always does a better job.

Signal Focussing Kit: While there is a case for sensor strength rigs, I believe that some HS ganking groups actually do use this rig.

Targeting Systems Stabilizer: The buff your suggesting is a bit overkill IMO, but changing the penalty to something cloak related would be interesting.

Semiconductor Memory Cell: Again, your suggested buff would be overkill. This rig should not give more regen than a CCC, else it makes the latter useless. And while I agree that it could use a very slight buff, it needs to be a tradeoff compared to a CCC.

Algid Administration Unit: Well, yes if it were to be buffed to usable levels, it should be added to projectiles as well. It could actually be interesting to use on small ACs since they use so little PWG relative to the CPU.

Ambit Extension: Your logic is flawed. It is a percentile increase, so it applies equally well to falloff and optimal. It seems like many people get this wrong... Imagine if there was only one rig that increased both falloff and optimal. It would need to apply the same percentage bonus in order to keep the optimal/falloff ratio of the weapon the same. Giving a bigger percentile bonus to falloff based weapons would only make them more scalable than optimal based weapons for no apparent reason.

Rocket Fuel Cache Partition: Good points.

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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#24 - 2015-05-25 20:29:56 UTC
Iris Bravemount wrote:
Semiconductor Memory Cell: Again, your suggested buff would be overkill. This rig should not give more regen than a CCC, else it makes the latter useless. And while I agree that it could use a very slight buff, it needs to be a tradeoff compared to a CC.

This just jumped to my mind when I was seeing a Machariel loss mail with the rigs: Why not give it a double bonus like the Capacitor Batteries have? More Cap and NOS/Neut effect reflect bonus. It's a cap battery in rig shape after all.

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