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To be honest, what's the best way of making ISK?
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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#41 - 2011-12-28 13:52:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
Pyhrrus Otsada wrote:
Dirk Magnum wrote:
You're not actually that poor by newb standards. If you want to make more ISK than you are currently, try salvaging.

I mean, if you want to stay within predictable, conventional game mechanics. Otherwise, scam, scam, scam.


Hes mining.
Hes poor by all and any standards that exist.

I've been playing 16 days and I've made over 220m missioning.


That is because you are in EVE university sucking on the tit of your mentors. You would have served your corps modus operandi better by offering to help get the OP into EVE uni. But no; the braggart must show his size.


Slade
Devil's Call
Social safety
#42 - 2011-12-28 13:59:41 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:
It isn't about money. It's about making Lady Harlot hate you...ummm...Freudian slip there...

If you look at this as a shopping center with the only hold up being no credit card, like most of these scam scam scammers do, then you'll never have enough since enough will never be enough. You make a billion, and all you can see is that "1" and the itch hits you about turning it into a "2". Once that "2" is there...where's my "3"? On and on it goes till it rolls over to the next denominator.

Even if you had billions to buy a buncha crap, most of it you couldn't use anyway wivvout that training...training...training...which leads to the OTHER motivation - capability. Being able to do some things very well and just not bothering to do them because they're beneath you is far more rewarding than making endless ISK in a race to nowhere special.

You see, true freedom lies in your ability to just do NOTHING, and gloat about it. The catch is, if you can't do anything then doing nothing isn't very special. If you can do EVERYTHING, and do it well, then not doing anything becomes the quintessence of pleasure. That's when you're in the leisure class.

Don't be a squirrel and constantly rabbit for money (pardon the mixed metaphor). Be a lion and just hang out surveying your surroundings with untouchable arrogance. You'll be glad you did!


Most genius reply I've read in ages.
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#43 - 2011-12-28 14:00:12 UTC
the best way to make money in eve is to join a good corp with experienced players ;)

beyond that, as a new player, if you're bent on solo = missions until you're skilled enough to run incursions and then switch to that.

mining is only worth it if you also manufacture with the mins you mine.. even then it's hardly 'big money'

and yes, scamming is the most profitable probably for sure, and the easiest.. but i never would.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#44 - 2011-12-28 14:10:17 UTC
Scamming for sure but there are other ways too like pin/open cyno to PL hotdrop on some Goon Super lazy killing rats Lol

By the way, Shadoo should increase the rewards for this.
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#45 - 2011-12-28 14:21:18 UTC
Waiting for others to make ISK, then taking it.
mmorpg lol
State War Academy
Caldari State
#46 - 2011-12-28 14:28:57 UTC
The fastest/easiest ways to make isk are scamming, incursions, and market manipulation. Scamming requires that you understand how to convince others to give you their stuff, incursions are somewhat skill intensive, and market maniplation requires understanding how the market operates.
IGNATIUS HOOD
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2011-12-28 16:07:07 UTC
Vito Tattaglia wrote:
I've been playing for about a month now, and so far I'm pretty poor in EVE standards. I only have 33 million, and 20 of that was made from selling my christmas gifts. I've been focusing on mining, but that is getting slightly dull, as I'm only making 300k every 7 minutes in my Retriever. Botting is a no go, as I prefer not to be banned. I was thinking of buying a PLEX, but I want that to be a last resort as I want to spend as little money on EVE as possible, other than the monthly sub. Right now I'm trying to train Mining Barge 5 to fly around a Covetor, but that is still 20 days away. What would you guys suggest I do in my position to make some ISK?



When I was at that point I missioned and then Did the Sisters of Eve arc. If you can knock that out without spending too much you'll get another 40 million in mission money and loot. (All but the last two Sisters missions can be done in a dessie.) Convo me in game if you do the Sisters missions and I'll help you take out the last two missions so you don't have to spend the money on a cruiser if you like. Some really nice guys helped me with mine and I'll pay that forward gladly. Smile

At some point, if you're serious about mining, you'll need a 2nd account to haul for your primary or you'll need some help from a friend. Mining becomes far less boring and much more profitable with more folks. A few hulks backed by an Orca can make good ISK even in HS.

L3 and L4 missions pay very well and if you push up your social skills you can make that even better. The path to real screw you levels of ISK imo is Wormholes or Null Sec ratting if you don't want to make stuff and/or play the markets in the trade hubs. The other ISK maker is PI but you need to dedicate time to train alts to do it in addition to your primary. I have 4 alts working PI making just one p3 product and that nets me enough money to pay to PLEX my #2 and #3 accounts with quite a bit left over.

Like anything in real life dabbling won't get you anywhere. You gotta go full bore to make money but you can make it if you dedicate time to it.
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."   --H.L. Mencken
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#48 - 2011-12-28 16:24:22 UTC
1) Scamming is a good way the best way to make ISK but finding a workable system or angle is not easy. EvE players are not stupid. ...but they are human. (Only hint you get)

2) Ninja salvaging and looting is the BEST 'PvP' thing a newer player can do right out of the gate. Do it in Tama and you can 100 mil/hr or better.

3) The most lucrative PvE activity on paper appears to be running incursion sites atm, but since I don't PvE I'm not sure if that's true in practice.

just my 2 isk...

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Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#49 - 2011-12-28 16:33:19 UTC
Selinate wrote:
Why can't people be more thorough when they just say "Scamming is the best way to make isk"? Not all scamming is created equal. Spamming a one trit for 2 billion isk will actually turn out to be isk inefficient compared to level 4 missions.


Thats why I or many others have never not gotten enough ISK for PLEX scamming during an Hours for PLEX re-activation right?
If scamming fails- Suicide Gank a Tengu/Loki/Proteus with the new T3 Battlecruisers.
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#50 - 2011-12-28 16:36:37 UTC
mmorpg lol wrote:
market maniplation requires understanding how the market operates.


Actually all it really means is getting as many T2 1400mm Arty's listed on the market in VFK as you can.
Ramacliv
Ramacliv's IRA
#51 - 2011-12-28 16:59:16 UTC
Unlike the others once you max out skills for an Orca and foreman mindlink using an alt to run the hulk you can make decent isk however it takes some SP to get to that point. That said in my opinion the real isk for those with low SP lies in being able to solo level 4 missions then come back and salvage/loot everything. You then sell or reprocess and sell everything. You don't need a massive amount of SP to do level 4 missions and getting to that point means shortly you can be able to do incursions which is where the real isk is made. Now all of this assumes you actually want to be active, keep your toon's name with a good rep (scamming ruins this) and play the game. A lot of the other things mentioned are also good low SP isk including ninja salvaging (almost no outflow (ammo costs) and a lot of the rewards in selling salvage and loot however they have a downside in that noone likes a ninja.
Guthris
The Shard Restaurant
#52 - 2011-12-28 17:05:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Guthris
The best way to make ISK is to get a job IRL, spend a couple hours making money. Use that to buy GTC's and convert that to ISK.

You'll make a couple dozen times the money you can, that you'd be spending the same amount of time dedicated to grinding missions
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#53 - 2011-12-28 17:05:58 UTC
Ramacliv wrote:
Unlike the others once you max out skills for an Orca and foreman mindlink using an alt to run the hulk you can make decent isk however it takes some SP to get to that point. That said in my opinion the real isk for those with low SP lies in being able to solo level 4 missions then come back and salvage/loot everything. You then sell or reprocess and sell everything. You don't need a massive amount of SP to do level 4 missions and getting to that point means shortly you can be able to do incursions which is where the real isk is made. Now all of this assumes you actually want to be active, keep your toon's name with a good rep (scamming ruins this) and play the game. A lot of the other things mentioned are also good low SP isk including ninja salvaging (almost no outflow (ammo costs) and a lot of the rewards in selling salvage and loot however they have a downside in that noone likes a ninja.


Oh herro wall-o-text..

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Carl Thunderthise
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2011-12-28 17:16:39 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Scamming is, by far, the best way to make isk. Mining is probably the worst way to make money and is so boring you'll quit the game in frustration before you make enough to recoup your investment in exhumers, mods and skillbooks.



You aren't making the maximum potential by scamming though, because of your corp choice. People see "Goon" and think "scammer". If you were in a different corp your scams would be twice as successful.
Or perhaps you have an alt to scam for you, in which case the cost of maintaining it, with or without plex, is eating into your potential profit.
Have a nice day.
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#55 - 2011-12-28 17:39:24 UTC
Carl Thunderthise wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Scamming is, by far, the best way to make isk. Mining is probably the worst way to make money and is so boring you'll quit the game in frustration before you make enough to recoup your investment in exhumers, mods and skillbooks.



You aren't making the maximum potential by scamming though, because of your corp choice. People see "Goon" and think "scammer". If you were in a different corp your scams would be twice as successful.
Or perhaps you have an alt to scam for you, in which case the cost of maintaining it, with or without plex, is eating into your potential profit.
Have a nice day.


I fly with goons.. alot.

Can't tell you how many times i've been ::jelly:: because those sly bastards get fitted carriers and stuff contracted to them full of shinies, and t3's.. it works more often then you'd think.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2011-12-28 17:41:27 UTC
Carl Thunderthise wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Scamming is, by far, the best way to make isk. Mining is probably the worst way to make money and is so boring you'll quit the game in frustration before you make enough to recoup your investment in exhumers, mods and skillbooks.



You aren't making the maximum potential by scamming though, because of your corp choice. People see "Goon" and think "scammer". If you were in a different corp your scams would be twice as successful.
Or perhaps you have an alt to scam for you, in which case the cost of maintaining it, with or without plex, is eating into your potential profit.
Have a nice day.

Using a neutral alt would make it difficult to "recruit" others into Goonwaffe or "rent" them space in nullsec.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Ramacliv
Ramacliv's IRA
#57 - 2011-12-28 18:34:15 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Ramacliv wrote:
Unlike the others once you max out skills for an Orca and foreman mindlink using an alt to run the hulk you can make decent isk however it takes some SP to get to that point. That said in my opinion the real isk for those with low SP lies in being able to solo level 4 missions then come back and salvage/loot everything. You then sell or reprocess and sell everything. You don't need a massive amount of SP to do level 4 missions and getting to that point means shortly you can be able to do incursions which is where the real isk is made. Now all of this assumes you actually want to be active, keep your toon's name with a good rep (scamming ruins this) and play the game. A lot of the other things mentioned are also good low SP isk including ninja salvaging (almost no outflow (ammo costs) and a lot of the rewards in selling salvage and loot however they have a downside in that noone likes a ninja.


Oh herro wall-o-text..

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1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#58 - 2011-12-28 18:38:35 UTC
Personally I've never scammed, even when I was dirt broke I never stooped that low, I actually have morals even in games.

Although trading and missioning is good ISK
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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2011-12-28 18:47:32 UTC
1-Up Mushroom wrote:
Personally I've never scammed, even when I was dirt broke I never stooped that low, I actually have morals even in games.

Although trading and missioning is good ISK

What does scamming have to do with morals? That just sounds silly...

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2011-12-28 19:28:30 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
1-Up Mushroom wrote:
Personally I've never scammed, even when I was dirt broke I never stooped that low, I actually have morals even in games.

Although trading and missioning is good ISK

What does scamming have to do with morals? That just sounds silly...

I wouldn't scam someone in RL, I'm guessing you wouldn't either... I think.
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