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Would this tactic be effective against "hyper dunking?"

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Damen Apol
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#1 - 2015-05-25 15:32:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Damen Apol
You're solo in a freighter or whatever industrial ship that can't allign fast enough. You get bumped like crazy and aggressed and can't log off.

You log off anyway, your ship stays in space as the ganker continues to chew through your EHP.

You log on to the same account with an alt in a logi ship, find where your bump-tackled ship is and rep it up. Until ganker either calls in more backup to beat your reps, suicides on your logi ship, or gives up.

I'm partially wondering if having two ships/characters from the same account online in space would be considered an exploit of some sort? I'm also partially wondering if that would even work or if the ability to have multiple characters in space (albeit not under your control) from a single account has further ramifications.
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#2 - 2015-05-25 15:39:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Aquila Sagitta
Ganks generally happen very quickly. Your ship would be dead before you loaded grid with second account (assuming you were logged off where your freighter was tackled)

Your ship also loses all bonuses when you log off cuting your ehp by up to 25%
Damen Apol
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#3 - 2015-05-25 15:46:45 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Ganks generally happen very quickly. Your ship would be dead before you loaded grid with second account (assuming you were logged off where your freighter was tackled)

Your ship also loses all bonuses when you log off cuting your ehp by up to 25%


Ah,

I'm pretty unaware of such things obviously.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#4 - 2015-05-25 16:06:31 UTC
Fly with an escort.
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Web alts can also ECM.

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Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-05-25 16:12:09 UTC
Damen Apol wrote:
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Ganks generally happen very quickly. Your ship would be dead before you loaded grid with second account (assuming you were logged off where your freighter was tackled)

Your ship also loses all bonuses when you log off cuting your ehp by up to 25%


Ah,

I'm pretty unaware of such things obviously.


I will correct Aquila though; in most cases yes, ganks happen quickly, but in your specific example (a hyperdunking), due to the warping around needed by the process, it can drag over several minutes, so in theory your tactic could work. And I know for a fact at least a couple of years ago (not from doing this, but a comical mistake) that you can log in a second character on the same account if the first is logged out but still in space (that moment when you undock to see your alt sitting in a bubble of the station Shocked), but not sure if it would be deemed legal or an exploit to do so (I am not smart enough to see the clever loopholes such a tactic could create).
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#6 - 2015-05-25 16:20:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Epeen
The most effective tactic against hyper-dunking is to sell your hauler character and use the proceeds to pay for your transport needs.

People like Red Frog are quite good at avoiding problems and are a reasonable price. Plus, they take the risk. All you do is fire them a couple of million ISKies, tell them where to pick up and drop off and then go have some fun doing anything but hauling.

When the choice is between risking your ship and whatever it's carrying or tossing some guy a million a jump to run from Jita to Amarr and risking nothing, I know which I'd choose.

Mr Epeen Cool
000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
#7 - 2015-05-25 16:38:43 UTC
Now a while ago there was another thread talking about bumping someones ship again and again.

Now i do remember (a long time ago) it was considered griefing if u kept on bumping someone thus preventing them from going into warp (note that i don't mean bumping a wartarget so he can't align, but bumping a neutral target in hi sec.)

I asked the same question then but I never got an answer from a dev.

Offcourse maybe it's only griefing if u bump them and don't suicide gank them.

IMO, atleast they should change the system so if u bump someone repeatedly u will get flagged to that person so they can shoot at you Twisted

Atleast this way the bumper has a risk as well, i mean it's a sandbox right?
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#8 - 2015-05-25 16:51:19 UTC
In my opinion, that is a valid tactic. The only issue will be getting your alt to the system fast enough.
Also, if you keep your alt stashed in the area where these activities happen, you can amuse yourself by being a white knight and repping anyone who is getting hyperdunked.

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Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2015-05-25 16:56:08 UTC
Maybe try sending in a petition and find out.

I can't imagine it as a total exploit since you can't be expected to wait until your character safe logs to log in somewhere else.
Kashadin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-05-25 17:04:58 UTC
By the nature of the hyperdunk, you wouldn't be able to get there in time to do anything.

following along with a alt in a logi ship with webs could be a interesting way to go around it tho.
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2015-05-25 17:14:04 UTC
Kashadin wrote:
By the nature of the hyperdunk, you wouldn't be able to get there in time to do anything.

following along with a alt in a logi ship with webs could be a interesting way to go around it tho.

that depends. If i pre-position my logi in a system with most likelihood of a gank, and some tries to hyperdunk, I can definitely log in and warp to gate before I die. Unless of course I do something really stupid.
Shayla Sh'inlux
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-05-25 18:04:43 UTC
Kashadin wrote:
By the nature of the hyperdunk, you wouldn't be able to get there in time to do anything.

following along with a alt in a logi ship with webs could be a interesting way to go around it tho.


I think you don't quite know what hyperdunking is.
Kashadin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2015-05-25 18:09:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Kashadin
I would assume it is a bump followed by a alpha gank, if not then it's not really all that hyper and this game is starting to go off into left field with its terms.

Edit: Also I always thought that hyperdunks were more "suddenly supers" in a LS/NS fight than "HS gank"
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#14 - 2015-05-25 18:09:52 UTC
Damen Apol wrote:

You log on to the same account with an alt in a logi ship, find where your bump-tackled ship is and rep it up. Until ganker either calls in more backup to beat your reps, suicides on your logi ship, or gives up.


I'm almost positive you would be perma banned for doing that.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2015-05-25 18:10:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Frostys Virpio
Rowells wrote:
Kashadin wrote:
By the nature of the hyperdunk, you wouldn't be able to get there in time to do anything.

following along with a alt in a logi ship with webs could be a interesting way to go around it tho.

that depends. If i pre-position my logi in a system with most likelihood of a gank, and some tries to hyperdunk, I can definitely log in and warp to gate before I die. Unless of course I do something really stupid.


Could you rep "yourself" and ECM the ganker with your alt enough time to deplete his ship stock? Since we are pulling crazy ideas ya know...

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Damen Apol wrote:

You log on to the same account with an alt in a logi ship, find where your bump-tackled ship is and rep it up. Until ganker either calls in more backup to beat your reps, suicides on your logi ship, or gives up.


I'm almost positive you would be perma banned for doing that.



That is an interesting point being brought forward.
Kashadin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2015-05-25 18:12:42 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Damen Apol wrote:

You log on to the same account with an alt in a logi ship, find where your bump-tackled ship is and rep it up. Until ganker either calls in more backup to beat your reps, suicides on your logi ship, or gives up.


I'm almost positive you would be perma banned for doing that.



Why? If the ship can be attacked it should be able to be defended, you are already making the choice to lose any benefits you get from skills to defend the ship when you swap over.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#17 - 2015-05-25 18:16:11 UTC
Kashadin wrote:

Why?



You really can't think of why? The whole "same account" part might cause a GM to raise his eyebrows.

If you don't believe me, by all means, put in a ticket and ask.

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Kashadin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2015-05-25 18:22:31 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Kashadin wrote:

Why?



You really can't think of why? The whole "same account" part might cause a GM to raise his eyebrows.

If you don't believe me, by all means, put in a ticket and ask.



My argument against that was in the post you quoted.

If it is such a issue as to warrant banning a easy change would be to make any ships that belong to a toon on the same acct disappear as soon as another toon logs into the same acct, I'm sure gankers would love that idea.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2015-05-25 18:27:14 UTC
Kashadin wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Kashadin wrote:

Why?



You really can't think of why? The whole "same account" part might cause a GM to raise his eyebrows.

If you don't believe me, by all means, put in a ticket and ask.



My argument against that was in the post you quoted.

If it is such a issue as to warrant banning a easy change would be to make any ships that belong to a toon on the same acct disappear as soon as another toon logs into the same acct, I'm sure gankers would love that idea.


Not gonna happen. This isa perfect logoffski handed to you on a platter. Forcefully crash your cleint and log back on an alt to save any ships including but not limited to titans...
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#20 - 2015-05-25 18:39:26 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Kashadin wrote:

Why?



You really can't think of why? The whole "same account" part might cause a GM to raise his eyebrows.

If you don't believe me, by all means, put in a ticket and ask.


Who cares if it's the same acct. Only one character is logged in from the players perspective. The other character is essentially a ghost. Not logged in to the client and not controllable by the player.

I have seen and have experienced hundreds of times logging in and seeing the character I or someone else just logged out because of a dump or just to switch characters still sitting there. Not my problem. And if CCP choose not to do something about it since forever, I will use it to my advantage.

It will never be declared an exploit to have a ghost still in space because of an external force applied to that ship upon logging out. And since it's not an exploit, there will be no warning let alone a ban.

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