Market Discussions

Hi There,
I am a very intense marketeer in EVE, but gettin frustrated about the following: I change my market prices over 200 times a day. When i post an order well below regional average, i get a reminder if that's good.... So far no problem... But when i make an error in stating a buying-order (a comma) or a selling order (same thing), no warning whatsoever. I lost 600 mil because i thought selling cruisers but was a line false and i sold battlecruisers. Today i sold a vexor for 106 mil but it had to be 10,6 mil, no warning for such an order. I hate that and it makes me each time more careful to hit enter. In fact my market activities diminish because i won't want to take the risk of mistaken orders (i lower my market-mutations to a level which can be double-checked cause otherwise it's useless to participate in that market)

Ari

Supported.
Adjusting existing orders goes so smoothly with the different warnings in place - then not having it when launching on order... it must be like that simply to drive us bonkers.

Another pet subject of mine is the colors of the percentage deviations of the mean market value, something I use A LOT to avoid errors as well. When you adjust an order it glows red when you make an adjustment that is bad for yourself, green when it is advantageous to yourself (selling over average, buying under average).

The color will change when you add or remove digits. This works for adjusting buy order, adjusting sell order, and launching a sell order.
However, when launching a buy order, the colors are opposite! Green color is disadvantageous for you (way above average price), red color is what you want (buying below average price). WTF! grrrrrr

Yep, but you won't get a warning when you mistakenly put a buy order which is 66% over regional average and you'll be surprised how fast such a mistake is used, In my example of battlecruisers i lost 600 mil in 19 seconds...

I noticed actually:

I am for now probably done with this game after almost 2 years of playing (more than half with 2 accounts) Cause i hate to lose days of work in an instant without any warning. I'll rather blow my isk away in a big fight then loosing it because of ****** game mechanics

So bye

If you are going to throw a tantrum over a small loss (and if you are a 'very intense marketeer' 600m is trivial), then I don't think EVE is a game suited for you at all.

I say this despite agreeing with your suggestion.

Overall it balances out - I'm about neutral, maybe slightly up, from market errors in my favor and market errors that hurt me.

I can't disagree with the OP. Wait until this happens at 5 or 10bil.

The single most important effective deterrent I have implemented in my own system that has almost certainly saved my ass as well as my wallet on many occasions is

This is a pretty tiresome example of the kind of cliched posting that bedevils this game. Someone points out that a game mechanic is legitimately broken (it is and has been for 8 years now; CCP acknowledges this and refunds the consequences of the broken mechanics when other players aren't involved, i.e. fees) and your response is HTFU. It's not big, tough or clever to pretend that crappy implementation of the game design is a feature rather than a bug. Yes, people should be careful. However, the game should also work properly and comments such as those in the OP raising genuine issues contribute far more towards eventually improving things than does the kind of slavish acceptance that you are pushing (while also trying to be edgy).

Any suggestions how to improve the system then?

"Warning: your selected market price exceeds the regional average by 1204000%, Do you like to continue with the order?"

What was I purchasing? Why, the Thukker Large Shield Extenders for 35 mil of course.

Since cache scraping is permitted, is there a way to flag the fact that you had an order window open and flash warnings before you pressed enter? Going a step further, would it be EULA permissible to have a program that intercepts the enter key press until you address the warming? I think the answer is yes, since the program doesn't actually cause any behavior in the EVE client (rather it prevents behavior).

As far as in game improvements, I would have several options:
- Threshold % (set by you) that will trigger a warning on any type of order modification
- Checklist to enable/disable all warnings, by order type (buy, sell, modify, etc)
- Option to disable warnings for specific items

Marmket mistakes are annoying, but they tend to balance in the long period.

The best solution I read is to make you're order AT LEAST match the higher buy order/the lower sell order that is active in you station.

Example:
You are selling a Paladin and you mistype 100.000.000 instead of 1.000.000.000.
In your station the higher buy order is 900.000.000.
You're Paladin is automatically sold for 900M.

You probably are losing your expected margin, but at least not 90% of item value.