EVE General Discussion

You made my day.

Nice data! I will have to chew on this..

Well the most likely situation from what has been released is that this will be a chatroom/mailing list/shared fittings/calendar system for people in addition to their existing corps. People who want to take part and avoid wars by being in NPC corps will do so, but no more than they already do. People already avoid wardecs. From my point of view I see this as a way to encourage those same people to actually take part in more group content without having to commit themselves to being targets for mass wardeccers.

The main things to avoid which I believe they will is shared wallets/hangars/assets. Those are the things people would need to really abuse it. I run multiple characters in highsec many of whom are in self-run player corps and evade wardecs. They do so to share assets and industry jobs with ease. As it looks to be going, social corps won't make that any easier. As long as that remains the case, all I see is a good way to bring more people into more types of content.

Yeah, they will have to work to make them worthwhile. Voice is a bit different though as it's easy to run out of game. With social tools as they currently exists they are a bit all over the place and things like fittings trackers out of game rely on the IGB. Since the IGB is going in the bin, tools like that will be going anyway.

One factor to query is the methods of "winning"...
The stats are probably skewed somewhat by the way wars end - If a merc group declare against a Science Alt's one man corp and then don't pay the war-bill because the alt never undocks, counterintuitively the result is recorded as the one man alt corp surrendering.
The 89% are recorded kills wars - so they aren't the same set-up - but if the agressor failing to pay a war-bill counts in those as the defender surrendering (and therefore a win for the agressor) it may be that a bunch of that 89% is merc groups biting off more than they expected to have to chew, losing heavily and then forcing a surrender by not paying the war-bill. I don't know if it's possible to burrow down through the CREST data to see this or not but...

I think you cannot do corp recycling without corp hopping.

Gorgeous, you even included my moustache. It and I thank you.

/me is still giggling

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This is reason, this is logic. When we are now sitting at a -13 condition to HTFU with the long list of nerfs already done, why aren't we BUFFING war mechanics, instead of giving the carebears yet another way to dodge them?

Stop...the...insanity.

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We should be incentivizing people into leaving NPC corps by giving them more functionality/features for doing so, not giving them more incentives to stay there like with the proposed 'social corp' construct.

Also, quite honestly I would kick people out of NPC corps after 30-60 days never to return, and have wars follow someone who drops from a decced corp, and if people ragequit over that I say good riddance.

Why?

Wars are ridiculously easy to survive when putting brain and knowledge in gear. I know EvE and using the mushy thing in your head is hard, but that is EvE, or at least it used to be...

My problem is I am unable to reconcile that long list of nerfs to non-consensual agression mechanics, and CCP Falcon's 'words':

"Okay, so what follows is entirely my personal opinion.

It's not a case of not "catering to the tearfilled entitled", it's a case of us staying true to the core of what EVE was built on.

Some of the people complaining in this thread have valid points about the fact that they don't feel safe. Simple fact of the matter is, that you're not suppose to feel safe in New Eden.

Eve is not a game for the faint hearted. It's a game that will chew you up and spit you out in the blink of an eye if you even think about letting your guard down or becoming complacent.

While every other MMO starts off with an intro that tells you you're going to be the savior of the realm, holds your hand, protects you, nurtures your development and ultimately guides you to your destiny as a hero along with several other million players who've had the exact same experience, EVE assaults you from the second you begin to play after you create a character, spitting you out into a universe that under the surface, is so complex that it's enough to make your head explode.

The entire design is based around being harsh, vicious, relentless, hostile and cold. It's about action and reaction, and the story that unfolds as you experience these two things.

True, we're working hard to lower the bar of entry so that more players can enjoy EVE and can get into the game. Our NPE (New Player Experience) is challenging, and we're trying to improve it to better prepare rookies for what lies out there, but when you start to play eve, you'll always start out as the little fish in the big pond.

The only way to grow is to voraciously consume what's around you, and its your choice whether that happens to be New Eden's abundant natural resources, or the other people who're also fighting their way to the top.

EVE is a playing experience like no other, where every action or reaction resonates through a single universe and is felt by players from all corners of the word. There are no shards here, no mirror universes, no instances and very few rules. If you stumble across something valuable, then chances are someone else already knows where you are, or is working their way toward you and you better be prepared to fight for what you've discovered.

EVE will test you from the outset, from the very second you undock and glimpse the stars, and will take pleasure from sorting those who can survive from those who'd rather curl up and perish.

EVE will let you fight until you collapse, then let you struggle to your feet, exhausted from the effort. Then when you can see the light at the end of the tunnel it'll kick you flat on your ass in the mud again and ask you why you deserve to be standing. It'll test you against every other individual playing at some point or another, and it'll ask for answers.

Give it an answer and maybe it'll let you up again, long enough to gather your thoughts. After a few more steps you're on the ground again and it's asking more questions.

EVE is designed to be harsh, it's designed to be challenging, and it's designed to be so deep and complex that it should fascinate and terrify you at the same time.

Corporation, Alliances and coalitions of tens of thousands have risen and fallen on these basic principles, and every one of those thousands of people has their own unique story to tell about how it affected them and what they experienced.

That's the beauty of EVE. Action and reaction. Emergence.

Welcome to the most frightening virtual playground you'll ever experience." -- CCP Falcon

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I still remember how the forum was full of people like Feyd posting how grand a game it would be when the 10% tax was going to be added to NPC corps. They were positively giddy with the joy of how all EVEs problems would be solved as everyone left the NPC corps in droves to create a target rich environment for the vocal minority that were dedicated to risk free PVP.

So how did that work out?

From the huge amount of nerf NPC even more threads, I guess not so well.

I'll say now the same thing I said back then. You can force people out of the game but there's no way you'll force them out of NPC corps if they don't want to leave. Turns out I was right and the whiny high sec war griefers were wrong. They're still crying and have learned nothing.

Mr Epeen