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Please, for the sake of my sanity, introduce Tags4Standings already

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Kaye Kaye
Doomheim
#41 - 2015-05-25 00:19:42 UTC
+100 on this topic.

This is one area of the game that desperately needs a fix.

If nothing else, just slow down the negative standings hit so that it's not SUCH a grind to play different parts of the game.

I mean really, EVERY ONE of those Red Cross Yahoo's were killed and the word still it got back to their home base that I did it.
Wendrika Hydreiga
#42 - 2015-05-25 00:35:14 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
That takes two days. Three to four if you are lazy/time limited.

How?


It takes a week of intensive level 3 mission running to even dent a extremely low faction standing, which is not for the faint of heart or those intolerant to PvE Grinds. And it takes a lot of luck to get decent storyline missions that award good standing boosts (protip: it's not the ones that ask you to bring ore). With a three hour non-stop session you're lucky if you get four storyline missions, which can give you anywhere between 0.8 to 1.7 Faction Standings.

Mr Epeen is probably confusing your issue with the amount of time it takes to unlock Level 4s which really is a couple of days tops. He is so inconsiderate and self-centered at times, am I right?
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2015-05-25 01:16:12 UTC
How about we just start off the game with all standings at 10 so that there's no progression, and no reward for being a long term player of the game. How would that be? We can just make the gratification more instantaneous. Kinda like WoW.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#44 - 2015-05-25 01:25:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
I've been living with being totally unable to use locator agents for five years because I do any kind of PVE, at all, ever.

Subsequently tags for standings would be pretty helpful.
Zealous Miner
Doomheim
#45 - 2015-05-25 01:26:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Zealous Miner
13kr1d1 wrote:
How about we just start off the game with all standings at 10 so that there's no progression, and no reward for being a long term player of the game. How would that be? We can just make the gratification more instantaneous. Kinda like WoW.

It's not really instant gratification when what is being suggested would require someone to actually grind for the tags to sell to someone else who worked for the money to buy said tags.

However, as I've mentioned already using these tags should still give a negative standings hit to the enemies of the faction it was redeemed for.

Fedo. Fedo? Fedo!

Wendrika Hydreiga
#46 - 2015-05-25 02:08:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Wendrika Hydreiga
13kr1d1 wrote:
How about we just start off the game with all standings at 10 so that there's no progression, and no reward for being a long term player of the game. How would that be? We can just make the gratification more instantaneous. Kinda like WoW.


As a person who maxed over 60 reputations over the course of seven years, I am offended by this remark, which is obviously a product of misconceptions and prejudice. I had to work hard to get some of those reputations maxed.

In EVE, standings are broken as a system. Their gains are based on asymptote equations, the Diplomacy type skills are on a negative logarithmic scale, and their benefits are underwhelming and cryptic. Standing gains on top of that are based on the distance from the Agent's Station and enemies fought. A Mission against an empire facyion offers about 10% less standing if it is done within 3 jumps away of the agent, while the standings loss are fixed ship ship kills go from fixed to entirely random and hurt more than the rate we can repair them. And that's absurd!

Zappity isn't asking for a fix. She's asking for an opt out. That's how bad the current system is, as it is beyond fixing in the short term. The means to produce this opt out exist, are easily available and could be implemented faster than the time it takes CCP to work a Burner Mission. Even make the Datacenter missions repeatable would go a long way.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#47 - 2015-05-25 02:31:48 UTC
Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:
Mr Epeen is probably confusing your issue with the amount of time it takes to unlock Level 4s which really is a couple of days tops.
LOL! No. It involves running not a single regular mission.
Wendrika wrote:
He is so inconsiderate and self-centered at times, am I right?
Yeah...you are right. But this isn't one of those times.

Here's a hint. Look someplace besides GD for the answer. I've certainly posted plenty about how to quickly hit a 7 or 8 faction standing and so have many others. The answers are right here in the EVE-O forums. You just need to look a tiny little bit.

That's as much hand holding as you'll get out of me on this well worn topic.

Mr Epeen Cool
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#48 - 2015-05-25 03:28:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Zappity
Mr Epeen wrote:
Here's a hint. Look someplace besides GD for the answer. I've certainly posted plenty about how to quickly hit a 7 or 8 faction standing and so have many others. The answers are right here in the EVE-O forums. You just need to look a tiny little bit.

That's as much hand holding as you'll get out of me on this well worn topic.

Mr Epeen Cool

If you are suggesting something other than the techniques I mentioned in the OP please just say so. Google finds you consistently talking about data centres, COSMOS missions and The Plan more generally, just as I described.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#49 - 2015-05-25 03:32:36 UTC
I'd also like to point out that this isn't an extreme view. The CSM9 minutes touched on this:

CSM9 minutes wrote:
CCP Soniclover -... We really think we are going to move away from standings stopping people from accessing this content and we know it will make some people angry.

Mike Azariah - There are some people who make their career out of helping people get standings to access missions.

CCP Soniclover - We know. We are aware that lots of players have spent a lot of time grinding standings. We will not be removing this barrier without giving something in return. We are looking at adjusting mission rewards, LP changes, and things like that. We will make it very useful to have high standards but not a requirement like it is now.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#50 - 2015-05-25 03:37:42 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Here's a hint. Look someplace besides GD for the answer. I've certainly posted plenty about how to quickly hit a 7 or 8 faction standing and so have many others. The answers are right here in the EVE-O forums. You just need to look a tiny little bit.

That's as much hand holding as you'll get out of me on this well worn topic.

Mr Epeen Cool

If you are suggesting something other than the techniques I mentioned in the OP please just say so. Google finds you consistently talking about data centres, COSMOS missions and The Plan more generally, just as I described.


I also looked online and found only the same information already covered.
Now that I've looked into standings, I see how a high faction standing is useful for traders.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#51 - 2015-05-25 04:19:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
13kr1d1 wrote:
How about we just start off the game with all standings at 10 so that there's no progression, and no reward for being a long term player of the game. How would that be? We can just make the gratification more instantaneous. Kinda like WoW.


This comment is bizarre because faction reputation systems with linear progression scales are incredibly common in conventional MMOs like WOW. As is the requirement to do a bunch of boring, pointless PVE content to get access to game features.

Lack of direct linear progression and the immediate availability of features is one of the major differences between EVE and conventional MMOs.

You're pointing out one of the few ancient vestiges of EVEs conception that actually make EVE similar to a conventional MMO and saying that removing it would somehow make EVE more like one?

You're totally full of ****.

Not to mention that gaining NPC corporation standing is only possible through PVE for some reason, but you can lose it through PVP. For example my standing with The Scope is incredibly low due to the enormous number of NPC corp characters I've killed. If I wanted to recover that standing I'd have to do PVE, which I'm not ever going to do. The standing system is a nuisance and the specific way it functions is bordering on insanity.
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#52 - 2015-05-25 06:24:12 UTC
OP, maybe talk to a guy called Imiarr Timshae. His standings business does mostly corp standings, but sometimes faction. At least maybe might have ideas for you.








Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#53 - 2015-05-25 06:28:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Zappity
Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:
OP, maybe talk to a guy called Imiarr Timshae. His standings business does mostly corp standings, but sometimes faction. At least maybe might have ideas for you.

Thanks. I did check his thread before I started - doesn't do faction. I don't think you can share faction rewards.

Edit: My mistake, his thread says, "We can sometimes provide faction standings on an individually negotiated basis." I'll try and find out how.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

u3pog
Ministerstvo na otbranata
Ore No More
#54 - 2015-05-25 06:32:50 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:
OP, maybe talk to a guy called Imiarr Timshae. His standings business does mostly corp standings, but sometimes faction. At least maybe might have ideas for you.

Thanks. I did check his thread before I started - doesn't do faction. I don't think you can share faction rewards.


You know, some 6 years ago I suggested a module that can pull wrecks for ya...People called me carebear, go somewhere else blah blah...5 years later we got it :) So, if they keep this speed up, we should get the tags in 2020.
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#55 - 2015-05-25 07:28:16 UTC
Minmatar Citizen 534612187 wrote:
I am very surprised by the difference in reaction between "I want to do less work" threads, depending on who starts them.



what are you talking about, he is willing to pay, within reasonable amount of course.

and his suggestion will actually benefit the mission runners as well.

Just Add Water

Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#56 - 2015-05-25 09:57:44 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:
Anything related to COSMOS Missions is in a state of utter disrepair, like the Datacenter missions. Tried doing a few of them the other day and it broke my Neocom and Agent tracking.

This is true. All that stuff at top left has disappeared more than a few times during the cosmos missions.


Ah I see what you mean on that one. I have noticed that happening but that 'stuff in the top left' does come back afterwards. Big smile

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#57 - 2015-05-25 09:59:01 UTC
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:
Anything related to COSMOS Missions is in a state of utter disrepair, like the Datacenter missions. Tried doing a few of them the other day and it broke my Neocom and Agent tracking.

This is true. All that stuff at top left has disappeared more than a few times during the cosmos missions.


Ah I see what you mean on that one. I have noticed that happening but that 'stuff in the top left' does come back afterwards. Big smile

Yeah, you can usually get it back after a session change.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

flakeys
Doomheim
#58 - 2015-05-25 10:14:46 UTC
I would be opposed of this idea , would it not have been for the introduction of sec stat tags.I was against the introduction of those , even though i have been -10 multiple times myself and had to do the horrific grinding back up every time.But since we have them , even though i dislike it , i see no reason why these tags you mention should not be introduced.

Either have none of the above tags , wich is what i would have prefered , or just seed both of them wich is the most reallistic thing to do now since CCP introduced the security tags anyway.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Endecroix
Doomheim
#59 - 2015-05-25 11:12:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Endecroix
I've worked hard to get my standings with all factions.

My suggestion would be rather than giving you a easy handin tags type method we find a way for someone like me to help out someone like you thereby creating content rather than dumbing down mechanisms.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2015-05-25 11:31:39 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:
Anything related to COSMOS Missions is in a state of utter disrepair, like the Datacenter missions. Tried doing a few of them the other day and it broke my Neocom and Agent tracking.

This is true. All that stuff at top left has disappeared more than a few times during the cosmos missions.

It happens when you accept mission with certificate. Other missions are not buggy.
I've placed bug-report about it

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