Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Ok I think we both agree on the effect this will have on pvp - you will need more patience to find quality pvp.

We just disagree on whether this is good or bad.

The reason I asked is because no matter how you fit your ship, it will be popped at some point. So add that to the cost of securing the system, and what do you get? Yep, that's right, hisec is looking more and more inviting.

I'm going to pull a shocking fact out of the hat at this point, and point out that we're talking about a game here. A game where the PVE isn't very fun, and you have to maintain your vigilence for hours at a time, just to be able to afford to do the fun things in eve, i.e. blow other people's **** up. With Ingvar's changes, this would turn into a game where everyone would have to expend a lot of time and energy just to keep a system safeish, let alone actually make isk or even recoup isk lost due to ganks. And after all that's done, you can start recouping isk lost while PVPing.

Now, pray tell, just how much of this do you suppose normal people would deal with, with the reward that's possible, before saying **** this, and doing their isk-making in hisec, where while boring, at least would give them the possibility of doing something other than just grind isk all day long?

And? I'm having a problem seeing your point as it pertains to this thread.

Actually, that just makes the proposed local change even worse, because I'm such an accomplished ratter I didn't even remember that lots of people use faction ships or t3s to make a boring part of the game suck less ****.

I guess it'll actually be a more severe move back than I first expected if Ingvar's changes are implemented. vOv

So basically this would make 0.0 anomalys totally worthless.

Well yeah, you could always do anomalys with combination which won't be killed easily even if someone lights a cyno up, but that would make anomaly income suck even more.

This proposal is not for normal people. Its for people who are happy to sit at their computers for hours on end waiting for the opportunity to blow someones internet spaceship up.

These are the people who say there is "plenty" of pvp in wormholes even though low sec has 3xs as much per person.

These are the people who want to make low sec and null sec like wh space. Slow, tedious and boring.

Normal people play a computer game, understandably want some sort of action within an hour or 2. That is normal.

This idea of scouting around for hours in order to blow up a virtual spaceship is anything but normal.

I believe he means remove the onboard scanner when cloaked... i.e. it won't work as result of being cloaked. I have to admit... that's an intruiging concept. It adds a further limitation the cloaked vessel.

The only "problem" I could see is that that would indeed make running in sites a little safer as well... but then again, if someone isn't paying attention to DScan they probably wouldn't notice the enemy ship in there just long enough to scan then cloak.

But also the AFK cloaker will not see you. Unles they are willing to put some work in and go warp around and use D-scan to find you. It does work both ways. He will have a hard time working out the true numbers of pilots in a system if he can't see local.

For the most part I like this idea, but it doesn't jive with one thought I have always had since playing Eve.

I think it should be possible to use a cov ops cyno without anyone ever knowing you were there. Bring in a fleet of stealth bombers, get into position around the unwary target and then just go a' rapin.' Just.... really go to town on 'em.

And to those who say it would be too much of a nerf to PVE, I say if it was working properly now, no one would be ratting in anything more expensive than a CNR. If they feel so safe in a billion isk ship solo, then something is wrong.

Or he can do what everyone else does when they can't get kills the good oldfashioned way: stick a guy in a blue corp.