Player Features and Ideas Discussion

First, reading these comments, it seems like bumping is the issue, not mooring. Maybe it should take a HIC to hold down a Titan, and not any cruiser with an MWD.

Second, the thing's going to have guns, right? If someone points your Titan, or drops a bubble, it should die a comically quick death. I could see a problem where dicters are warped in every minute or so, sacrificing a ton of ships, but effectively pinning the super down. Simple solution: Bubbles don't work near these things.

Third, logging in a safe is always safer. True, but parking at a station will give greater security when you need to do something like bridge people around. You have POS guns, jammers and remote reps to keep you safe, and the ability to moor if something goes bad, unlike a random point in space. Something will have to be done to make sure these things don't go down too fast. Maybe tie it to sov, so they can only be taken out after sov structures fall.

Fourth, people can just log in space and let the sub lapse. True enough, but given the new changes to sov, I doubt this will be as viable as it once was. If you want to use a toon for something else, or leave a super for another player perhaps, you'll need a safe place to park, and this provides it.

How about making bubbles not anchor able within say 60 k at a structure. That might help with the problems people are having with the new system. I think because guns will be fitted they will No longer be uncapped by an attacking force. So bubbles might not be a problem any more.

First let me say that I like the idea of what they are trying to do with structures in general. Even though fitting defenses to a POS--like you would a module to a ship--might give me less flexibility than I have currently, I have no issue with that change. The idea of using structures to be able to put up market hubs or other things we can't do now, that is a great idea. With that in mind, the need to be able to dock does go hand in hand with putting up a market hub. So in general I'm fine with all of that.

What isn't a good idea is this concept that: because POS shields have issues that are hard to solve, the only solution is to remove them. Now I don't think docking and POS shields should be implemented together, they should be an either-or choice for any structure. Both are needed for different purposes, but let's be honest, docking in a structure is really no different than docking in a station, and station games suck. If you remove POS shields in favor of docking you will bring the pain of docking games to all. We need both functions available, if these new structures are to maintain and expand the function of structures in EVE.

Nobody seems to want to talk about these edge-cases or "secret problems" as they have been called throughout this thread. Whether it's POS-Bowling or Skynetting or Off-Grid-Boosting, all of these problems have been identified and discussed on these forums in the past. There are no "secret problems," only an unwillingness to deal with them on the dev side. I get it, the old code sucks and should be scrapped, you'll get no disagreement from me there. But rather than writing new code for a bunch of new features that purport to cover all the things the force-field did, just write new force-field code. I have faith in the dev's abilities, but asking them to do something stupid will just result in well-written albeit pointless code.

All the edge-cases that I've ever seen could be solved with one simple force-field design that acknowledges their existence. The force-field should be two parts: #1 Protection, #2 Systems Limitation. The protection aspect would mirror the current force-field size and functionality. If you are inside the visible shield you are protected from engagement and free to stage or manage your structure. The limitation aspect should be non-visible and extend past the protection field. Maybe 50% further, maybe some other amount, that is debatable. While in that space you can't lock others, activate boosts or light a cyno. The cyno restriction could be waved for those with the ability to enter the protective field, making it an offensive restriction only.

I'm sure there are edge-cases that I don't know about, but it just seems easier to deal with those directly, rather than try to come up with something new that does what force-fields do but in different ways. It's possible pilots may find better ways to exploit these new systems than they have under the current system. Not to mention, how do you know a structure is online when you aren't on grid with it? A force-field shows up on d-scan. That's pretty important to see in WH's at least.

What a great way to ensure that most Supercapital pilots unsubscribe and don't log in again! Which I guess is one answer to Supercapital proliferation...

Eve is all about tradeoffs to get benefits. For the better part of the last decade super pilots have complained they couldn't dock. Well they still cant dock and thats for more than a few reasons ( station Size vs ship size, most of us saw what happened when CCP gave out free titans and let them undock in 6-C on sisi and how it made no sense to let these ships dock )

And now we have mooring, tradeoff being the intel that is given away by it. But it lets supers and their pilots effectively keep an asset safe for a period of time.

But some people are still caught up in this tradeoff, And i dont see why for a few obvious reasons:

- If you have ever dropped a super or been seen in one someone probably has you listed as a super pilot and on watch list, i have 3 dozen on mine who operate near my area just incase.
- if your a super pilot and they know it they can find you with locator agents easily as is
- Many corps and alliance have towers where supers are kept bookmarked on alts for observation of activity as is
- Areas where supers are produced are well documented, If you made one someone somewhere knows you did.


So accounting for all of that, whats the big deal if they can see where you can park it? They already have access to so much more information so this is hardly a crisis of "Free Intel".

My proposal is just to hide supers moored to Structures from D-Scan and to remove the "owned by information that appears when you show info on them. This means they can track where supers are the same way they are now, but they may not know whose super is whose. Which makes ambushing a specific pilot much more intel intensive and difficult.

plus if that really becomes an issue just give super invulnerability for 30 seconds after unmooring the ship, thats enough time to warp or jump for an inexperienced pilot, let alone a professional or experienced one.

As long as highsec is nice and safe.

What you suggest is pretty much the bare basic/minimum that should be implemented based on current gameplay.

There has to be a new skill involved with Mooring. The better the skill or skill set the faster the ship is moored and unmoored.

I would have to say that a set number of capitals for each station should be based on volume. The max volume for a mooring system would 155 million cu/m or the size of an Avatar. Anything larger would create its own gravitational problems with the structure.

Each station would have varying degree of capital volume storage that could be increased by adding Mooring Modules to the structures. Each Mooring Module would provide 50 million units of Moored Volume. Four modules could added to a structure for a total of 200 million units of Moored Volume that would allow for a single Titan to be moored alone or up to ten Moros.

Mooring would also require more fuel to be used in order to maintain the orbit of the station or structure as well as extending the stations shields around the capital. If the fuel runs out all capitals are decoupled and left to drift.

While the capital is mooring it should also be considered active and able to return fire and be fired upon. After mooring is complete the weapons systems are taken offline and any fighters or bombers in open space are disconnected and left adrift.

Some excellent Mooring effects are also going to have be designed. Tractor beams and fuel lines are a must. Just as the gantries extending and retracting into the station are also must when the capital is moored.

Just let supers dock. I can't see any reason not to let them nowadays.

What about buying/selling super carriers? What is to stop someone from uncloaking and pointing or stealing it when the other pilot hops out? How would you propose the idea of doing a transaction for a super carrier? Without a proper and "safe" way to buy or sell a supercarrier/titan, you are looking at local builds inside alliances for them. Which, everyone not owning sov or do not live in Sov space (Npc null/Lowsec) would be completely out of the picture for ever buying a super of some kind.