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Why don't all BC's have large weapons?
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Zenith Ginnungagap
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-12-28 07:14:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Zenith Ginnungagap
I think CCP should change tier one and tier two BC's to use large guns and missile launchers. Battlecruisers are large ships, but not large enough to fit BS size tank.

Cruisers are there for medium sized guns, and there are lot's of different cruiser classes to be fitted with medium sized guns.

Actually by changing tier one and tier two BC's to use large weapons, it would balance need for large weapons vs medium weapons. Right now medium weapons are much more needed than large weapons.

Also tier one and tier two BC's have drone bays, so having large weapons would not render them useless for level three missions, where they are widely used.

CCP, throw this in with assault ship changes.

Oh, and of course, command ships should be included in this change.
Endeavour Starfleet
#2 - 2011-12-28 07:15:05 UTC
Um no...
Zenith Ginnungagap
Doomheim
#3 - 2011-12-28 07:15:27 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Um no...

Um..yes.
Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#4 - 2011-12-28 07:31:03 UTC
Uhm no.

The 'old' BCs are just fine. compared to cruisers, they offer additional firepower, better defense and room for ewar, while sacrificing some of the cruiser's mobility, but not enough to be a big fat target like a battleship. They are great combat ships, having enough defense to stand up to (fewer number) battleships and enough mobility to get out of the way of somethign that a gang of BCs can't handle. In addition, their training time to start getting into one is relatively short, a lot shorter than learnign how to decently fly a battleship, and they are much cheaper, so for newer people they are a great step up from cruisers.

The new Tier 3 BC has a totally different mindset than the 'old' ones. They're made for dealing punishment, sacrificing the staying power of battleships and some degree also that of the other BCs, though keeping their mobility, and gaining the firepower that makes battleshipe envious.
This ship is not designed for flying solo and doing missions, or exploration. This ship is designed for PvP warfare. in gangs, it's the big cannon to pound an unsuspecting foe, in (smallish) fleets, it's the pounding hammer of the fast interception fleet after the battleship fleet has made contact, in large scale battles, they are the hammer to take on carriers and dreads, once the other noncapital ships in your fleet have crippled the capital's support fleet.

Does railgun ammunition come in Hollow Point?
Zeb Riu
Trauma Ward
#5 - 2011-12-28 07:35:43 UTC
While the new bcs are awesome this idea is not.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-12-28 07:43:49 UTC
Being able to actually stay and fight at close range is fun......no more big gun BCs they mins blow against other medium hulls if you cant get range.
Cormallin
Horizon Security
#7 - 2011-12-28 08:47:41 UTC
From what I've seen of the new Teir3 BC they are flying coffins, I meen sure they can snipe and the tornados a good ganking ship but in fleet battles they tend to blow the second the enemy look at them funny, so I vote no. Straight
Cindy Marco
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2011-12-28 09:11:29 UTC
Its a pretty simple question to answer. Because they are cruisers. If they could use battleship guns, with the tanks that tiers 1 and 2 have, they would just be battleships.

Instead they are lighter, and cheaper. But that has to come from somewhere. The tier 1/2 BC's give up the large guns of battleships but keep a strong tank. The tier 3's keep the guns, but are basically a big gun in a cardboard box.
Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
#9 - 2011-12-28 10:20:06 UTC
You can already get battleship-level dps from some of the "old" battlecruisers using their old and busted medium weapons.
Miyahon
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-12-28 12:13:03 UTC
Zenith Ginnungagap wrote:
I think CCP should change tier one and tier two BC's to use large guns and missile launchers. Battlecruisers are large ships, but not large enough to fit BS size tank.

Cruisers are there for medium sized guns, and there are lot's of different cruiser classes to be fitted with medium sized guns.

Actually by changing tier one and tier two BC's to use large weapons, it would balance need for large weapons vs medium weapons. Right now medium weapons are much more needed than large weapons.

Also tier one and tier two BC's have drone bays, so having large weapons would not render them useless for level three missions, where they are widely used.

CCP, throw this in with assault ship changes.

Oh, and of course, command ships should be included in this change.


Tier 3 BC have many specific bonuses for fitting large guns, this would mean a total revamp of the lower tiers. Crazy idea. BCs are an incredibly popular hull with medium weapons, this does not need changing.

What has this got to do with level 3 missions?
Norris Packard
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2011-12-28 12:18:29 UTC
"Why don't all BC's have large weapons?"

Historically there were two design philosophies when it came to battlecruiser design. The new tier 3 battlecruisers follow the English style of battlecruisers where they would pack on the largest guns possible on ships with speed and armor of cruisers. The tier 1 and 2 battlecruisers follow the German battlecruiser philosophy of that was brought about by the Washington Naval Conference of 1922 (specifically the 5 Powers Treaty). This limited the caliber of armament that a ship could be armed with and so while these ships were heavily armored they were not fit with the same heavy firepower as the battleship class armaments of earlier battlecruisers. By the time war broke out these limitations were being completely ignored and the English philosophy was re-introduced across most of the worlds navies.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#12 - 2011-12-28 14:28:44 UTC
The Tier 1 and 2 BCs are more properly Heavy Cruisers, where the tier 3 is a Battlecruiser.

Can you imagine a Drake with Torps or Cruises? It can already fit a BS class tank. (100k ehp is not to be sniffed at) Makes the Raven nigh on useless if you did.

Woo! CSM XI!

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Skorpynekomimi
#13 - 2011-12-28 15:10:29 UTC
Battlecruiser is to cruiser as destroyer is to frigate. They can't ALL be large-gun-toting gank platforms.

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Julia Connor
P R O M E T H E U S
From Anoikis
#14 - 2011-12-28 15:19:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Julia Connor
Norris Packard wrote:
"Why don't all BC's have large weapons?"

Historically there were two design philosophies when it came to battlecruiser design. The new tier 3 battlecruisers follow the English style of battlecruisers where they would pack on the largest guns possible on ships with speed and armor of cruisers. The tier 1 and 2 battlecruisers follow the German battlecruiser philosophy of that was brought about by the Washington Naval Conference of 1922 (specifically the 5 Powers Treaty). This limited the caliber of armament that a ship could be armed with and so while these ships were heavily armored they were not fit with the same heavy firepower as the battleship class armaments of earlier battlecruisers. By the time war broke out these limitations were being completely ignored and the English philosophy was re-introduced across most of the worlds navies.

what the fack! How does this relate?
Elindreal
Planetary Interactors
#15 - 2011-12-28 15:56:31 UTC
lol

hello ccp i just hopped into a stealth bomber and i think it's awesome!

why don't all frigs get to fit large weapons?

please fix this, i think tech1 tier4 frigates should have the option since tier4 is > tier3 and tier3 battlecruises have large weapons
this makes 100% sense.
Flakey Foont
#16 - 2011-12-28 15:59:45 UTC
Hi I am new and I want the game to be changed to suit my desires....
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-12-28 16:02:22 UTC
Perfect idea, lets give ******* suicide gankers more **** to blow us up with.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Murtific
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#18 - 2011-12-28 16:11:05 UTC
Zenith Ginnungagap wrote:
I think CCP should change tier one and tier two BC's to use large guns and missile launchers. Battlecruisers are large ships, but not large enough to fit BS size tank.

Cruisers are there for medium sized guns, and there are lot's of different cruiser classes to be fitted with medium sized guns.

Actually by changing tier one and tier two BC's to use large weapons, it would balance need for large weapons vs medium weapons. Right now medium weapons are much more needed than large weapons.

Also tier one and tier two BC's have drone bays, so having large weapons would not render them useless for level three missions, where they are widely used.

CCP, throw this in with assault ship changes.

Oh, and of course, command ships should be included in this change.


Do us a favor and dont get a job at CCP.
Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2011-12-28 16:14:28 UTC
Julia Connor wrote:
Norris Packard wrote:
"Why don't all BC's have large weapons?"

Historically there were two design philosophies when it came to battlecruiser design. The new tier 3 battlecruisers follow the English style of battlecruisers where they would pack on the largest guns possible on ships with speed and armor of cruisers. The tier 1 and 2 battlecruisers follow the German battlecruiser philosophy of that was brought about by the Washington Naval Conference of 1922 (specifically the 5 Powers Treaty). This limited the caliber of armament that a ship could be armed with and so while these ships were heavily armored they were not fit with the same heavy firepower as the battleship class armaments of earlier battlecruisers. By the time war broke out these limitations were being completely ignored and the English philosophy was re-introduced across most of the worlds navies.

what the fack! How does this relate?


British Battle cruisers had the alarming tendency to keep exploding. In the words of the Admiral of the fleet during a major battle "There seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today"
Liam Mirren
#20 - 2011-12-28 16:19:14 UTC
BattleCRUISERS.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
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