Player Features and Ideas Discussion

+1 for hard nerf to meta 4 and stealth increase to drawbacks for these mods. Should hurt cruisers for oversizing a little more.

Question: why are the meta mods still better than t1 in MULTIPLE aspects? I thought the concept of new meta 1 is better than t1 in only ONE aspect.

I would really like to see an XL Shield Extender for battleship usage.

it was in the original OP, for them removing micros.

Right now T1 is specialized in being bad. Really. At this point if you're not a day one player, and even if you are, most won't fit a T1 because they are so much worse. For the redemption roams NPSI community new player roams we use almost all meta module because they are cheaper and better in almost every single conceivable way.

In this listing so far every single t1 module has about 20% less of the primary stat than the its closest meta module. Combined that with the worst case fitting and other penalties and there is zero reason to fit it unless you have literally nothing else. Might as well just make t1 officially called civilian gear if you want to leave them like that.

And why is basic and common a bad thing? Why shouldn't the modules you build in your station at home not be competitive in the game?

What do you mean with diversity? Neither Armor nor Shields got access to BS-sized buffer mods. The 1600 plate is a cruisersized mod, or Battlecruiser at max. But 500PG is not *allocating relevant fitting ressources* for any battleship.

Then in Cruisers Online, you can triple your armor buffer with an appropriately sized buffer mod (1600, cause they're so easy to fit you might think they belong there). A Rattlesnake can raise it's buffer by ~20% for each LSE it fits.

And in particular, if fittings weren't an issue, we'd see more officer point orthrus, I'm sure. But heck, a cruiser just doesn't have the 2-4k PG a BS plate would potentially require.



There is truth in there :D I'd too love to see the gap from plain T1 to T2 being reduced or otherwise make T1 more meaningful. Currently it's the stuff you got in your hangar to build it into T2 things, it would however be nice if T1 could incorporate some sort of appeal to not totally disqualify it. This could be as simple as labeling the tech level *pragmatic, non-sophisticated and robust* and give it much resilence to overheating. (This would allow newbros with Thermo I to effectively use their T1 point overheated for longer times to pretend they'd be using the T2 one)

they want to build off the t1's for cheap fun.

Or they like simple T1 then t2. This change needs a spreadsheet to work out the details. this imo was the start of this whole metacide thing. Looking up stuff and thinking gave headaches lol.

Now this change tbh...has me liking metacide more (will not lie about or hide the fact I was not in we don't need this metacide crowd). I am liking faction mods actually mean something now. For SE for example I always felt bad for the thukker lp collectors. Now that SE is looking nice. Or at least marketable over RF whose lp easier to obtain with better agent distribution.

I don't like that meta eclipses T1, but if meta blueprints start to drop that require the base T1 module rather than assembled modules, I could support the power increase.

An example I posted in another thread of 'mystery item x'
T1, 5% 5% 5% 5%
Meta 7% 7% 4% 4%
T2 7% 7% 7% 7%

T2 is still clearly better than T1, but meta is as good as T2 in certain aspects but worse than T1 in other aspects, forcing you to make a trade off with Meta, and making a case where you would use T1 over Meta when you are concerned with overall performance of a single module.

It is nice that people who want to use something better than tech 2 plates now have options for getting more EHP. I don't mind losing some powergrid requirements for higher CPU requirements, although it is small. All my Gallente ships are powergrid limited, not CPU limited.

Stratios got massively buffed by the plate changes. Stratios has 1150 PG, which currently lets you fit two 1600mm plates and a MWD, but nothing else, so 2x 1600mm plate fits aren't viable unless you want to use Genolutions, storyline MWD, or storyline 1600mm plates, all of which are obscenely expensive.

After these changes, you can just fit two Syndicate plates which actually have more HP than T2 plates do now, and won't be that expensive. (27000 LP and no tags) The result is a ship that can fit an expanded probe launcher and a cloak and still do 500-600 DPS of whatever damage type it wants alongside having ~70,000 EHP. Use a reactive armor hardener when hunting ratters (they do the same damage type as the rats) and your EHP will be much higher. Even though you'll be relatively slow when double plated, it's still rather difficult to catch a ship with a covops cloak and a MWD.