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Please, for the sake of my sanity, introduce Tags4Standings already

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#1 - 2015-05-24 00:32:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Zappity
Yes, I know data centers exist but these are not repeatable and don't give a high enough boost for Excellent faction standings.

I decided I wanted a character with >7 faction standings. I followed the Faction Standings Repair Plan (props to the author btw, excellent job). It took me three weeks of casual play to reach my goal. Now that I finally have the standings required for my original goal I feel burnt out and couldn't be bothered going through with my plan!

I hate highsec PvE. I don't enjoy grinding. I DON'T PLAY THIS GAME FOR THE MISSIONS! And I can guarantee that many other players would prefer me out there doing something risky instead of wasting time grinding in highsec.

CCP, please just let me pay a player who does enjoy this game play instead of grinding it myself. It is working for sec status - please just unlock repeats on data centers or introduce Tags4Standings.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#2 - 2015-05-24 03:50:15 UTC
Can't you get standings by being in fleet with someone running missions and sharing the rewards? Seems like a lucrative way to make money if someone is willing to buy that service.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#3 - 2015-05-24 03:53:16 UTC
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
Can't you get standings by being in fleet with someone running missions and sharing the rewards? Seems like a lucrative way to make money if someone is willing to buy that service.

You can do that for corp and agent standings but not faction.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#4 - 2015-05-24 03:54:02 UTC
Unfortunately.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#5 - 2015-05-24 03:57:44 UTC
Hum. If you can think of a system that'll work, feel free to post it to Features and Ideas and I'll try and pass it upwards. Big smile

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#6 - 2015-05-24 03:58:33 UTC
Sometimes you can buy a character with standings on the character bazaar. But other than that faction warfare is probably the easiest way to get faction standings.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#7 - 2015-05-24 04:02:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Zappity
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
Hum. If you can think of a system that'll work, feel free to post it to Features and Ideas and I'll try and pass it upwards. Big smile
It already exists in the form of data centres. You hand tags farmed by mission runners and receive standings in return. But they are single-use agents so you can't repeat. The change is just to unlock them so you can repeat.

Alternatively, they could introduce new tags as per Tags4Sec.

Commissar Kate wrote:
Sometimes you can buy a character with standings on the character bazaar. But other than that faction warfare is probably the easiest way to get faction standings.
I looked for a suitable character but nothing was available at the time. I'll look into FW - thanks. But does it not bugger up your standings to the opposition?

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Kashadin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-05-24 04:51:26 UTC
FW will destroy your standing with the opposition.

Have you done a Epic Arc mission series yet? Those give you a good standings boost at the end and are soloable.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#9 - 2015-05-24 04:56:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Zappity
Kashadin wrote:
FW will destroy your standing with the opposition.

Have you done a Epic Arc mission series yet? Those give you a good standings boost at the end and are soloable.

Not yet. I have done the career agents, data centers and most of the COSMOS agents. Epic Arc would have been next.

Note that I'm not complaining that it is impossible to raise standings. I just really don't enjoy the game play required to do so - not enough player interaction. And I don't see why I should be required to grind something that I find just awful.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Kashadin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-05-24 05:13:06 UTC
Oh i fully agree that it would be nice to have some way to raise standing w/o having to grind missions or something along those lines.

Hell, I would take having to go to LS and talk to some kinda "faction broker" for each empire group who for a "small fee" will raise your standings with that faction, won't have a huge impact since you can't do it for your Sec status but it will allow people who have the ISK to get out of stuff like FW a little easier. That and it would introduce another ISK sink, which I'm sure would be nice.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#11 - 2015-05-24 05:31:34 UTC
A friend with a free slot to redo the SOE arc repeatedly works. But at 8 hours or so just from flying A to B to complete it, that could be very expensive.

Like you have said, Tags for standings and remove tags from the LP stores solves both standing grinding and LP store prices for certain items.

You could even implement a limited amount per day to stop it being too consequence free. But so it's not a long grind, just 2 mins a day then you do other things.
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2015-05-24 06:17:26 UTC
So, you did something which has consequences, and now want to undo those consequences more easily.

Want ships returned to your hangar on destruction as well?

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices

Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#13 - 2015-05-24 06:21:43 UTC
13kr1d1 wrote:
So, you did something which has consequences, and now want to undo those consequences more easily.

Want ships returned to your hangar on destruction as well?

No, I did nothing to reduce my standings. The character's standings toward the faction were 0.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Kashadin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2015-05-24 06:24:28 UTC
13kr1d1 wrote:
So, you did something which has consequences, and now want to undo those consequences more easily.

Want ships returned to your hangar on destruction as well?



Not really the same thing.

Not sure what got up your ass but fixing NPC faction standings is just a annoying and time intensive activity, the OP was just asking for a way that is already in the game to up standings to be opened up to be used repeatedly instead of just a 1 time thing.


Honestly fixing faction standings via tags makes more sense than fixing your Sec status, and the sec status has a way higher impact on your gameplay than the faction standings, ontop of that the people who fix Sec status using tags are normally doing way more stuff that is "destructive" (ganking and the like) than people who lose faction standings with NPC corps.

Hell, you can lose a lot of standings doing missions if you do them for the empires navies if you don't pay attention to the ones you take and start blowing up the other empires.
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#15 - 2015-05-24 06:43:55 UTC
Zappity wrote:
13kr1d1 wrote:
So, you did something which has consequences, and now want to undo those consequences more easily.

Want ships returned to your hangar on destruction as well?

No, I did nothing to reduce my standings. The character's standings toward the faction were 0.


Some people just don't comprehend what you wrote.
I had a look at my faction standings, just to get to an unadjusted 5 with any of the empire factions would be a slog, never mind getting to 7.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2015-05-24 07:14:17 UTC
What is the reason you want that high faction standing? Lvl 5s with free agent selection come to my mind, but this is also PvE ...

To honor the MMO sandbox I would also prefer a solution, where you can pay another player for grinding (indirectly or directly).

I'm my own NPC alt.

Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#17 - 2015-05-24 08:19:32 UTC
I love it when players farm one particular faction and don't consider keeping their other standings right.
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#18 - 2015-05-24 08:48:20 UTC
Tipa Riot wrote:
What is the reason you want that high faction standing? Lvl 5s with free agent selection come to my mind, but this is also PvE ...

To honor the MMO sandbox I would also prefer a solution, where you can pay another player for grinding (indirectly or directly).


I've been wondering this. The only reason I could think of is no longer relevant as of mid-last year.
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#19 - 2015-05-24 08:48:40 UTC
1) From base zero standings train the relevant 'social' skills to level five.

2) Doing the two lowest category of data centre tags (Copper & Bronze?) for eg Minmatar & Gallente will get you over 2.00 'effective' for both Minmatar & Gallente.

3) Doing the high sec only COSMOS missions for both Gallente & Minmatar will get you well over 8.00 'effective' with both factions plus quite a lot of corporation & navy corp standings. Don't do the Thukker Tribe ones as these are detrimental for Gallente standings.

The same can be done for Amarr/Caldari if they are more favourable for you. It doesn't take that long to do this.

Personally I would not like to see a tag based system to raise standings. Making the game too easy is not the way to go. I would like to see more interaction requirements between the NPC empires and capsuleers. Sadly we are slowly going in the opposite direction.

" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. " Rick. " Find out what ? " Abraham. " They're screwing with the wrong people. " Rick. Season four.   ' The Walking Dead. ' .

Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#20 - 2015-05-24 08:51:57 UTC
Avaelica Kuershin wrote:
Tipa Riot wrote:
What is the reason you want that high faction standing? Lvl 5s with free agent selection come to my mind, but this is also PvE ...

To honor the MMO sandbox I would also prefer a solution, where you can pay another player for grinding (indirectly or directly).


I've been wondering this. The only reason I could think of is no longer relevant as of mid-last year.


Jump clones. (Although there is Estel Arador.) Smile

Market taxes etc.

Reprocessing.

Mission agents.

Locator agents.

COSMOS faction ship BPC agents.

Any more ?

" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. " Rick. " Find out what ? " Abraham. " They're screwing with the wrong people. " Rick. Season four.   ' The Walking Dead. ' .

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