EVE General Discussion

Eventually.

Ah I see, thanks for clarifying!

I wonder how these new structures and their mechanics are going to affect small-scale manufacturers/indy groups consisting of only 1 or 2 players like myself in times of a war and how the offlining/repackaging/deploying mechanics will work.

A RL example of how the current POS mechanics saved my hide: I got wardecced by a griefer/wardeccer corp a month ago and immediately after finding out, tore down and stored my POS during the 24hr grace period. To my amusement, every other corp in my system got systematically wardecced by the same corp, and sure enough a fleet of 20+ Apocs showed up and began wiping out all of the other corps' POS's one-by-one until nearly two thirds of all the POS's in my home system were wiped out. I seemed to be the only smart person other than the wardeccer corp in that system that day Let's just say I saved myself quite a bit of ISK

Being in a tiny one-man corp consisting of a handful of Alts with absolutely no ability to defend against something like a fleet of POS-bashing Apocs, I used brains over brawn. Will the new structure mechanics still allow this? I ask because if they don't, they seem to me to only favour larger corps/alliances with the manpower to defend them, while little corps like myself who relied on the current POS mechanics to make some money have just lost out on a bunch of industry options available.

As new structures and service modules for those structures are release, old structures will be phased out.

An example given in the fanfest presentation:

A new manufacturing facility (and the service modules to make it work) is released. The Old structures will continue to work for a while, but their bonuses will be removed. A while after that, they will cease to function. A while after that, they will be removed in some fashion. (refunded, allowed to be reprocessed, something. That's not detailed yet)

They are already saying that they are thinking of implementing some sort of "invulnerability link" for ships that just undocked/unmored from a Citadel. Ontop of that the personal defenses of the Citadels will outshine the old POS defenses.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/back-into-the-structure/

very bottom of the page. Hell, I will even link the little graphic they made to show the plan.

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/67008/1/Transition2.png

It is going to be pretty much this. Many small hs indy corps primary line of defense are POS structure hitpoints and a low profile. This is not going to work anymore. You will have to adapt.

Kind of disappointing if you ask me

Still, its all just speculation and heresay for the time being. I did read somewhere, whether it was a forum post or a dev blog on the subject i can't recall, that the new citadels/starbases/whateverthef***theircallednow will no longer have to be anchored around a moon. Instead they can be anchored absolutely anywhere in the system and bookmarked.

This is kind of cool as theoretically you could hop in a BS, warp to any random location and MJD like 2 dozen times, bookmark the spot and then setup shop in a little corner of space only you know about

I'd really like to see more info about the wardec mechanics and the new mechanics for setting up and tearing them down. Maybe I'll get lucky and my strategy of "Pack up shop and move like some kind of space Gypsy" will still work *fingers crossed*

Further still...f*** it if hs indy ops in a tiny HS corp are no longer feasible. My main gets offers to go back to Null every second day. I might just go back to Null and leave everything my corp has and my alts in my current home system, in-effect turning my once efficient HS Indy corp into a glorified offshore bank staffed by 3 beautiful ladies (myself included)

CCP mentioned in the past, that they would look into improving single player and small group game play. They also mentioned personal structures somewhere. A highly specialized T2 variant of the Orca supporting compression and / or refining would also be an option for small groups.

We will simply have to wait and see what happens. And adapt.

You need to read the latest dev blog on Citadels properly.

There isn't any mention of labs and production arrays in it but I presume they will be fitted to the new Citadel structures. The medium sized Citadel description states it will be for single pilot or small groups of capsuleers to use so similar to the small and medium POS we currently have.

They will be attackable using the Entosis Link system. The dev blog doesn't mention war-decs but I presume, or hope, that a war-dec has to be initiated first before an attack can begin. Alternatively an attack can take place within a time window of your choice without a war-dec which wouldn't be quite so attractive.

The ability to do things in structures will depend on the service modules you fit to the structure. (High, mid, low, rigs, services)

Most services won't be limited to particular types of structure. However, there'll be bonuses on the structure itself, which you may want. Citadel are the defensive storage structures. You'll be able to build in them, but it won't be optimal. (once the service modules are released)