EVE General Discussion

You only address groups that are not hiding for a fight ... but ... how about the players that do want to hide from a fight? Does the currect proposal being discussed between CCP and CSM include discussion about how to avoid that a certain category of players mis-use this new mechanic by being able to avoid being wardecced and yet still have all the benefits of being in a corporation?

What? I think you assume I am somebody else.

Simple answer for social corps would be to make them align to an empire and as such they are valid targets for any FW corps.

The simple answer is the inevitable.

CCP is making them targets for suicide gankers.

And then they will cry even more.

And they will call for a nerf.

And then C.C.P. ...
... is S.O.L.

That wouldn't drive content, it would simply drive players out of the game who have no interested in getting shot by the players who want to do nothng but shoot other players. And it's not an exploit, it's completely allowed. As far as I can tell it's never been an exploit, since nobody can provide a link to any official mention of dropping corp to get around wardecs being an exploit.

Again, all that does is punish people who don't want to pew pew. An it would simply result in the same situation we have now, where people simply don't join corps because it's simpler to just stay in NPC corps. Undoubtedly you'd then be in favour of more restriction on NPC corps and punishments for remaining in them. Once again it all boils down to you wanting everyone to be forced into pew pew, even though that's now all that EVE is about.

The problem you seem to repeatedly run into here is this who "exploit" misunderstanding. It's not an exploit, it's the way it's supposed to be. You're not supposed to be able to force someone into either having to fight or stop playing. If you choose a target that is small enough to reform, that you're own fault for picking a weak target. Social corps aren't even a way to get around this, it's a way to merge chat rooms, mailing lists and shared fittings into a single place so groups who rely on ad-hoc tools to create these groups (primarily PvP groups) can do so with more ease and thus create content.

I don't doubt that's the case for some players, but then on the exact opposite side, players like you won't be happy until you can force every player to die by your hand or quit. Those of us in a more balanced position can see the benefit of promoting both "pew pew" PvP content and "non pew" content. Things like these social corps are a massive boost to NPSI groups who are primarily pew pew focused and offer a way for people who might not want to make the full leap into a player run corp to experience PvP. I get that you think it's a bad thing because you think it's goign to create swathes of risk averse PvE players, but NEWSFLASH: those players already exist. You act like people don't already use NPC corps, solo corps and dec evasion to evade PvP.

And you seem to confuse yourself over what EVE core is. You keep saying conflict, but I get the impression you literally mean "pew pew" when you are saying that. That's not the core of EVE. In EVE there's a variety of playstyles, and not all of them involve shooting other players. Conflict is far more than just that.

How does it neuter them? What stops people setting up a chat channel and a mailing list and sharing fittings that way to run their little industrial corps right now? Nothing. The problem with that is that when you have fast paced PvP groups such as spectre fleet, it quickly becomes unmanageable. You honestly want to fight against a mechanic which will help boost casual PvP because risk averse players will remain as risk averse?

Amusingly I run multiple actual corp for my high sec industry alts and still never worry about wardecs because the characters never undock. I'll gain nothing from social corps, since all my guys are in fact in chat channels, and social corps would lack the key features I would use, namely shared wallets and offices. Honestly, I think if you sat down and though rationally about it you'd realise that most non-PvP highsec entities really wouldn't benefit much from these glorified chat channels. That might be asking a bit much though.

That looks familiar.

Reading Feyd the wardec wackjob is always fun, kinda of like a wardec crazy version of dinsdale piranha.

The quote that was linked that i dont feel like finding was a developer saying exactly
"Folding and recycling corporations to evade wars is NO LONGER CONSIDERED TO BE AN EXPLOIT.

Can you grasp what that phrase means? That at some point PRIOR to the dev saying that, it WAS CONSIDERED an exploit, yet at that exact moment in time, it NO LONGER was considered an exploit.

Are you a native English speaker? I dont want to make fun of you if you just cant understand the meaning of that phrase becasue you dont speak english well.

I remember some of the old minerbumping posts talking about how once ccp stopped enforcing the war evasion exploit, he started doing it to everyone that decced them and take a wild guess what tune the bears sang when he repeatedly folded his corp voiding their wars?
They screamed and rage exploit! Hax! Lol yet just months prior that same group cried about wars and got the rule changed lol.

I find it ironic and funny.

You wouldn't know going by our staying power and download counts. :trollface:

Do it for 3 years, then attempt to think to speak to me about it, kay?