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Brain study. why people like to pve vs pvp? Science

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Sunrise Aigele
Pemberley Enterprises
#61 - 2015-05-24 03:48:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Sunrise Aigele
The puzzle-solving aspect of PVE make it interesting. There is enough variety for different people to approach it in different ways for different reasons. I enjoy its availability, and the chance to try different approaches to the same problem to see what happens. But it is not merely about mastery! I have been known to send the "wrong" ship into a mission just to see if I could get it back out. This can give me "The Rush" more surely than most PVP, simply because it happens over a long enough time period for suspense to build while I puzzle a way out. When I warped my Abaddon out of Buzz Kill vs Angels after having complicated things greatly by shooting the triggers, and after the last two of my five Warrior IIs had finally killed the last of the elite frigate that had pointed me, the ship was at 14% hull, and my hands were trembling!

By contrast, PVP combat is often much less exciting to me, simply because so many people ensure that the outcome is a foregone conclusion. Foregone conclusions fail to interest me for long. I might learn a good trick from watching a clever pilot. I might discover how my ship can be rendered toothless (woe to my beloved golden laser bricks!). Both slake my curiosity. Neither are thrilling. If I I could not focus as absolutely on combat as he does, so perhaps at a later time when I have done all that I can with the content I currently enjoy I will try to play his way.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#62 - 2015-05-24 03:53:44 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Why do people PVE exclusively?

- Bad prior experience in PVP
- Friends dragged them into the game.
- Predictability.
- No risk of embarrassment.
- No risk of lost assets (talking grinders not newbies)


No risk of embarrassment? You have never seen me do missions then 😁 ....

Which is why there is no risk of embarrassment from missions: Others don't see you mess up.

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Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#63 - 2015-05-24 03:56:12 UTC
Because EvE is a PvE game.
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#64 - 2015-05-24 04:49:02 UTC
Mostly to rage at how the forums never work properly. Will this post make it through? We'll see.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices

flakeys
Doomheim
#65 - 2015-05-24 07:52:56 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Why do people PVE exclusively?

- Bad prior experience in PVP
- Friends dragged them into the game.
- Predictability.
- No risk of embarrassment.
- No risk of lost assets (talking grinders not newbies)


No risk of embarrassment? You have never seen me do missions then 😁 ....

Which is why there is no risk of embarrassment from missions: Others don't see you mess up.



Usually your corpmates will though.But yes the people who browse the killboards will not.Might be me but i get more emberassed when people i play with spot a stupid loss then complete strangers who's opinion i don't give a f about... but that's just lill odd me i guess Blink.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Jenshae Chiroptera
#66 - 2015-05-24 11:25:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
flakeys wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Why do people PVE exclusively?

- Bad prior experience in PVP
- Friends dragged them into the game.
- Predictability.
- No risk of embarrassment.
- No risk of lost assets (talking grinders not newbies)
This is extremely short sighted. While that may be true for someone, it's not universally true..
That is kinda his angle , he is a troll for a reason and i'm not the only one seeing that as ISD usually locks his threads pretty fast.They should really have a rule with X amount of threads closed you can not create new ones for X weeks/months Blink.
*Sigh*
It is easier to dismiss what I say as trolling. The reason someone writes, says or does something to troll is in order to get an emotional response.
I do not care how you feel.

The forums ate my replies, so briefly,

An example of common theme I hear from ratters:
- They got in a battleship too soon.
- Went to Low Sec and was blasted off the grid.
- They then heard about slave implants, boosters, hard wires, boosting ships, pilots with 180M+ SP and perfect skills.
- They looked at how long these things would take them to acquire, lost hope and forgot about PVP entirely.

(The main thing was skills, they can't work harder to train noticeably faster. I am not saying this should change, I am pointing to a common reason people keep ratting with a vague feeling of not being ready for PVP yet, until they usually quit after about a year of playing.)

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Mag's
Azn Empire
#67 - 2015-05-24 11:47:54 UTC
I tend to be the first to laugh at my own failings, be it falling asleep in missions or on gates in null, or losing expensive ships when messing around on stations. As long as I get to play the game and I have fun, it matters not what I do.

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#68 - 2015-05-24 13:45:16 UTC
Are you in Brave or Goons? =P

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

u3pog
Ministerstvo na otbranata
Ore No More
#69 - 2015-05-24 13:51:18 UTC  |  Edited by: u3pog
I can PvE while watching TV shows or browsing the Internet, so it's kinda better than sitting idle in the station. PvP requires your full attention, so you may not always have the ability to do it, depending on your free time. Also, PvE is easier in most cases.

If someone catches me unprepared, then good for him. Also it feels like a win when you obliterate everything, even if it's red crosses. Being jammed, scrambled, cap drained and webbed definitely doesn't feel that good, but it comes with PvP.

These are some of the reasons why I do more PvE than PvP, but the main one is the lack of free time and being unable to communicate, which is mandatory in PvP. Can't talk much when my 1yo son is sleeping in the next room. I am expecting things to change once he grows up. I have no doubts that this game will outlive me. Smile
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#70 - 2015-05-24 13:56:46 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Are you in Brave or Goons? =P

Mag's here is the sole survivor of the people who owned Rancer.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
#71 - 2015-05-24 13:59:04 UTC
Eve Solecist wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Are you in Brave or Goons? =P

Mag's here is the sole survivor of the people who owned Rancer.
That some dead URL or something?

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#72 - 2015-05-24 14:08:49 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Eve Solecist wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Are you in Brave or Goons? =P

Mag's here is the sole survivor of the people who owned Rancer.
That some dead URL or something?

They were the main reason why people did 20 jumps from Hek to Jita ...
... instead of just nine.

Rancer was pretty famous.
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2015-05-24 14:38:02 UTC
Just from my point of view, I did extensive missioning the first months to get into the game (was the natural succession from the tutorials and the sisters arc), and get my standings up. ISK was a point but not the dominating one as I started with my 400mio from the buddy invite (yes, PLEX were that cheap in 2013 Blink). Today I'm running relic sites for ISK, but to be honest it's not what it was when it was still new for me and exciting ... what I really liked was flying logi in an Incursion, because it is not all "automatic" and actually challenging. It's a goal of mine to join an Incursion community once my skills permit (T2 logi and support skills). I tried combat exploration in an Ishtar, but it was not fun ... when I play and enjoy EvE for me that means combat PvP, solo roaming, small gang, big fleet, whale hunting, and the communities ...this is what me gets attached to that game.

I'm my own NPC alt.

flakeys
Doomheim
#74 - 2015-05-24 19:01:06 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Eve Solecist wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Are you in Brave or Goons? =P

Mag's here is the sole survivor of the people who owned Rancer.



Yeah i passed rancer a few weeks ago and one jump ahead of the system i noticed it would take me through rancer so expected a quick death but meh , so i jumped in and .... nothing , the system was allmost empty.Just to be sure i didn't directly warp to the outside gate because obviously there would be a disco battleship , it wasn't there though.Instead of being happy that i survived it i felt a little sad that the rancer of old had vanished.

What the hell happened to rancer ?

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2015-05-24 19:16:41 UTC
PVE: predictable, you win if you don't mess up, easy to do solo --> relaxing, no social effort, (mildly) satisfying

PVP: unpredictable, you win if you're better/nastier/smarter/sneakier/luckier than the other guy(s), hard to do solo --> usually requires social effort, can be either thrilling or depressing

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Solecist Punk
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2015-05-24 19:22:31 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Eve Solecist wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Are you in Brave or Goons? =P

Mag's here is the sole survivor of the people who owned Rancer.



Yeah i passed rancer a few weeks ago and one jump ahead of the system i noticed it would take me through rancer so expected a quick death but meh , so i jumped in and .... nothing , the system was allmost empty.Just to be sure i didn't directly warp to the outside gate because obviously there would be a disco battleship , it wasn't there though.Instead of being happy that i survived it i felt a little sad that the rancer of old had vanished.

What the hell happened to rancer ?

That's *exactly* my experience.


... a surprised nothing.


I went through Rancer three times in a few days apart.

In my pod.


Back and forth.





Nothing.



What happened ? Good question. I got to ask Santo eventually when I saw him in lowsec,
but he didn't really want to talk about it. I think Mag's told me, but I forgot... so I might be wrong. ^_^


Whatever happened there shortened the Hek-Jita route considerably ...

... without most people even noticing.
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2015-05-24 19:45:26 UTC
I really would like to know why Rancer is not perma-camped. Did someone finally clean out that nest of villainy?
beakerax
Pator Tech School
#78 - 2015-05-24 20:44:46 UTC
Eve died and no-one even realised
flakeys
Doomheim
#79 - 2015-05-24 21:02:16 UTC
beakerax wrote:
Eve died and no-one even realised



Actually , that is the perfect answer right there Cry.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Ozymandias Hamalia
Flat Earth Believers
#80 - 2015-05-25 00:24:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Ozymandias Hamalia
Has no one mentioned that if there were no PVE, you would sit in station all day without a ship to fly? Or guns to fire or ammo or

mods, or missiles or propulsion mods or......I mean.....uhm.....