EVE General Discussion

When mugging and hijacking become sports I will become a sports fan.

I don't fight fair unless I have to. If I have to, I have done something wrong.

PvP isn't any less diverse in how it's done than PvE is, to be honest. Just as there's exploration, mining, market, missions, incursions and industry the other side has it's list of versions of fun.

Hot drops, ganks, gate camps, station games, suspect baits, safaris, duels and blobs... All are equally valid, just everyone has their own specific preference when it comes down to it.

Yes, some do it for tears. Others do it for the adrenaline rush of having a real live and arguably thinking opponent to play against.

I mostly PVE with industry in research/invention/manufacturing.

I don't do it because the money's good (it is, hell of a lot better than mining anyways) but because I enjoy the feeling I get when I build things, knowing that in the near-future my products will either be on the market for everyone to buy or fly in if its ships I built.

Kind of like how a carpenter gets that satisfied feeling when he sees his project house get completed.

I like the rush ...
... but I am perfectly capable of fishing!

Boredom is a mental disease only affecting the addicted. ^_^

Why do people PVE exclusively?

- Bad prior experience in PVP
- Friends dragged them into the game.
- Predictability.
- No risk of embarassment.
- No risk of lost assets (talking grinders not newbies)

It's like a much more immersive game of solitaire.

That's it.

I like dangerous PvE slipping into an unknown SOV and taking down a 10/10 plex and then getting out again knowing that at any moment you could be hunted across nullsec in a sea of blues who all know that

A. You are carrying a fortune
B. You ship is worth a fortune

I like being the underdog and the prey

If im the hunter then all i get to eat is PvE prey that have no chance against me at anytime


There is nothing predictable about nullsec ninja plexing. and you are completely on your own



Second best thing i ever did. Carrying 12 billion isk in modules and blue prints out of Nullsec in a single run

Best thing i ever saw. Was scanned down in mid warp and when i landed i was quickly followed by my attackers. lost everything and could not care less. It was a pleasure to see such EVE mastery at work. (Ive been scanned out lots of times but nothing ever like that)

Frustrating team + lumped with logi anchor + Gorgon = MWD, fly straight at them ... and we all live?!
I am starting to think that the forum is full of chat bots and so is the game.
This is just a giant experiment to test insanity.

This is extremely short sighted. While that may be true for someone, it's not universally true.

Myself for instance, I never had a 'bad' pvp experience, I have had some EMBARRASING PVE loses (some of them have killmails either based on the fact that a real player took a shot at me, or an alt or buddy accidentally aggressed me) and consequently I've lost major assets due to pve.
As for ship to ship combat PVP, the only kind I actually "crave" is the kind that takes null space (aka the "big blobs") because I like being a part of a big fleet, and taking space means new PVE opportunities for people like me. Small gang, solo, hot dropping, gate camping and other forms of "making stuff go boom for the sake of making it go boom" PVP doesn't appeal to me though I will sometimes join a corp/alliance roam just to keep my face on a killboard because the PVPrs running the corp think that's important .


There are lots of reasons (even in a PVP-centric game) to prefer PVE (I'm not exclusive, but a good 90% of what I do in game is PVE) that are not 'bad' reasons. EVE's sandbox PVE appeals to tinkerer/puzzle-solver/engineer type gamers. It's not the actual PVE content (which is generally uninteresting by itself), it's the fact that there are MILLIONS of ways to tackle that content and finding those ways are fun for us, everything from figuring out how to do regular lvl 4 missions with frigate sized ships to figuring out how to multi-box null sec anomalies without any kind of isboxer style crap (all i'll say is "FOUR FoF missile T1 Ravens warping in at 100km, screw your expensive smartbombing battleships at zero where they can get pointed by npcs crap" lol).

This is in direct contrast to "themepark" style PVE that is focuses on "telling a story and making the player part of the story, and making that player the HERO of the story". CCP has actually demonstrated some understanding in this regard with adding Drifters and Burner Missions and watching people explode as they try to figure them out.

Lots of EVE PVErs are delusional and disappointed "misplaced themeparkers" that play the game despite the fact that it just cannot provide the kind of immersive experience real PVE focused games do. But lots of us are not like that, we like EVE PVE for what it is and don't need CCP screwing that up by trying to get 'creative' in hopes of entertaining un-entertain-able people.

Some of m most expensive losses have been in PvE, because I tend to be less careful than if I were facing other players. I tend to forget that if you end up at the wrong range and don't start aligning out fast enough, or get blobbed by scram/web frigates, the NPC's actually can make your ship go boom.

Especially if I've been running the same missions for awhile I tend to get careless and hilarity ensues. Like when I lost a proteus in the second room of Worlds Collide because I didn't pull range before aggressing the mob of elite frigates sitting on the warpin...80/90% resists don't save you when you're quadruple webbed and target painted in front of a dozen battleships and cruisers.

I am not a very good min/maxer.

Eh