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Margin Scamming and Anonymity

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flakeys
Doomheim
#21 - 2015-05-23 09:41:41 UTC
Zappity wrote:
I tend to agree with OP. I would like to see more market-induced PvP. Adding the name and corp to a market column would be a good start. Sure, it is mostly alts but those alts are often in corps which can be targeted.



The one you buy the overpriced items from to pull the margin scam off is the same person as the one with the 'fake order'.Not specifically the same character but at least the same person.

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flakeys
Doomheim
#22 - 2015-05-23 09:43:10 UTC
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:
Good luck taking revenge on someone who never leaves Jita 4-4.


Just like allmost every other scammer indeed.And even if they did , what would a bounty add to it?It never stopped me from undocking.

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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#23 - 2015-05-25 08:51:27 UTC
Wait a second!?! The OPs business model is to place bounties on other people? I hope this is a scam, because if it is no scam, this is probably the biggest fail "retaliation" model I have seen so far.

Evil RatKid
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2015-05-26 04:52:13 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Wait a second!?! The OPs business model is to place bounties on other people? I hope this is a scam, because if it is no scam, this is probably the biggest fail "retaliation" model I have seen so far.


If it is actually his method of making isk, its really stupid, too.

So, the whole point of sending you isk is so you are the one to place it so its not coming from the "real" bounty placer, I just have to ask... Why couldn't I just make an alt and do it myself?

Are you good at dealing with customers so the engineers don't have to?

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Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#25 - 2015-05-28 16:20:13 UTC
This post assumes real world mechanics for a virtual market enforcement agency, which is generally not good practice to adopt here.

Besides Margin scams are laughably easy to spot, and the SEC has to Oversee trillions of people make trillions of exchanges every day across the 4 empires. Not just us, and im willing to be their underfunded too.

but that assumes real world mechanics too
see the problem?

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Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2015-05-29 20:47:09 UTC
I'm personally all for something that adds the potential for PVP content to the game. Currently if you buy something from someone, you know who it is, whether you paid a reasonable sum, a ridiculous sum, or a laughable sum. If you paid the reasonable sum, maybe you can watch list them so you can adjust your own orders while they are offline.
If you paid the ridiculous sum, you can swear revenge (only to realize they are a market alt and never leave 4-4 but oh well you tried).
If you paid the laughable sum you can send them a mail to add insult to injury.

However in the current mechanics if you attempt to sell something to someone and fail, there is no record of who it was that 'wanted' to buy from you. I can see the benefit of having this information made available, however it would have to be available only upon the failure of the order, not simply listed with the market transaction for all to see.

Now, 999999/1000000 (is that the right amount of zeros? Screw it you get the point) times that information will be useless as it's a scamming alt who never leaves 4-4, but that doesn't mean that the information should be impossible to obtain.

Just my two cents.

And yeah, bounties are meaningless except as ways for criminals to pay each other compliments.

If you've found a way to long con people out of a bit of isk, I'm totally fine with that, good on you.

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