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Snow and tears mark funeral for North Korean leader

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Atticus Fynch
#1 - 2011-12-28 13:29:13 UTC
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(Reuters) - The world watched anxiously on Wednesday as North Korea staged a huge funeral in the capital, Pyongyang, for former leader Kim Jong-il, searching for signs of what to expect from the isolated nation that may be close to attaining nuclear weapons capacity.

Bleak pictures from state television showed a funeral cortege led by a limousine carrying a huge picture of the 69-year old, who died on December 17, passing serried ranks of olive green-clad soldiers whose bare heads were bowed in homage in the main square of the snow-covered capital.

A hearse carrying the coffin was led by a weeping Kim Jong-un, the son and heir, accompanied by Jang Song-thaek, his uncle and a key power-broker in the transition, and Ri Yong-ho, the army chief of staff.

"Seeing this white snow fall has made me think of the general's efforts and this brings tears to my eyes," Seo Ju-rim, a red-cheeked, weeping female soldier, told North Korean television, referring to Kim.

One of the myths surrounding Kim Jong-il was that he could control the weather and state media has reported unusually cold and wild weather accompanying his death.

Video showed weeping civilians who swayed with grief and shouted "father, father" as black Lincoln and Mercedes limousines and army trucks streamed past the crowds. It was not clear whether the pictures were live or recorded.

"I wished it was a dream, how can this be true," sobbed one middle-aged woman named Kim. "How can anything like this ever happen in the world?"

Kim Jong-un will become the third member of the family to run the unpredictable North Asian country as it enters 2012, the year that was supposed to mark its self-proclaimed transformation into a "strong and prosperous" nation.

Larry Niksch, who has tracked North Korea for the nonpartisan U.S. Congressional Research Service for 43 years, believes it could take as little as one to two years to have a working nuclear missile once the North produced enough highly enriched uranium for the warhead's core fuel.

The prospect of an untested leader, believed to be in his late 20s, having nuclear capacity has alarmed many.

"Yes, we are watching and will be analyzing how any changes can be reflected in our policy," a South Korean government official said. He was not authorized to speak to the media, so could not be identified.

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Atticus Fynch
#2 - 2011-12-28 13:30:46 UTC
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UNCLE JANG, POWER BEHIND THE THRONE

State television showed Jang Song-thaek walking directly behind Kim Jong-un alongside the limousine carrying the coffin. Jang ranks a lowly 19th in the list of names on the state funeral committee but his public elevation confirms that he will play a key role in shaping policies.

An ascetic-looking, bespectacled 65-year-old, Jang has overcome a purge, bitter palace intrigue and personal tragedy to become vice chairman of the National Defense Commission, the supreme leadership council which Kim Jong-il led as head of the military state.

"Kim Jong-un is clearly the head of the new leadership but, in terms of hierarchy and influence, Jang appears to have secured considerable position," said Yoo Ho-yeol, a North Korea expert at Korea University in the south.

Strong it may be -- North Korea is backed by neighboring China, has conducted two nuclear tests and has a 1.2 million-strong armed forces -- but prosperous it is not.

On average, the 25 million North Koreans have a life expectancy three-and-a-half years lower than they did when "Eternal President" Kim Il-sung, the new leader's grandfather, died in 1994, according to U.N. data.

The United Nations, in a country program for 2011-15, says North Korea's main challenge is to "restore the economy to the level attained before 1990" and to alleviate food shortages for a third of its 25 million population.

Indications from the transition since Kim Jong-il's death suggest his "military first" policy will continue, leading to further hardship in a country that endured mass starvation in the 1990s.

Leverage from outside, with the exception of China, is limited. All the United States, South Korea and Japan can do is hope that the regime does not collapse, nor flex its military muscle as it did in 2010, when it shelled a South Korean island.

North Korea was established in 1948 and under its founding father, Kim Il-sung, went to war to try to conquer the South. It failed and in 1953 a dividing line that would become the world's most militarized frontier was drawn across the peninsula.

PROSPECTS OF A PURGE

While Kim Il-sung was revered by his people for fighting Japanese colonial rule, the halo surrounding his successors has steadily dimmed to such an extent that his grandson, the new ruler, will have to rely on people such as his uncle, Jang, to hold on to power, at least in the short term.

Official media in the North have built Kim Jong-un, a jowly and rotund man in his late 20s, into a leader worthy of inheriting the crown, naming him "respected general," "great successor," "outstanding leader" and "supreme commander."

This year, dissident groups based in South Korea, citing North Korean refugees and businessmen working in China, linked the youngest Kim to a crackdown on business activities and a tougher policy on people seeking to flee from North Korea.

Those reports could not be verified independently, but would again suggest that further repression is more likely than an economic opening under the new man.

It also gives little hope for the 200,000 North Koreans who human rights group Amnesty international says are enslaved in labor camps, subjected to torture and hunger or execution.

"There is likely to be a politically motivated purge and imprisonment, and it could go on for a considerable period of time," said Pak Sang-hak, who heads a group in Seoul working to support defectors, and is himself a defector.

"That is especially because of the relative instability of Kim Jong-un's leadership. There might also be persecution as a way of intimidation and discipline."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/28/us-korea-north-funeral-idUSTRE7BQ0SS20111228


Can control the weather? Roll

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Alara IonStorm
#3 - 2011-12-28 13:31:56 UTC
You already created a thread about this...
Atticus Fynch wrote:
I'm watching news footage and the N Korean newscaster is bawling on camera. People bawling in the streets.

WTF?Shocked

Are these people that brainwashed or is it all an act?

Cult of personality is a scary thing.Ugh

Couldn't you have just bumped it instead of spamming.
Atticus Fynch
#4 - 2011-12-28 13:38:08 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
You already created a thread about this...
Atticus Fynch wrote:
I'm watching news footage and the N Korean newscaster is bawling on camera. People bawling in the streets.

WTF?Shocked

Are these people that brainwashed or is it all an act?

Cult of personality is a scary thing.Ugh

Couldn't you have just bumped it instead of spamming.


Now now, Alara...be nice.Blink

Truth is I forgot about that other thread.Oops

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Froz3nEcho Sarain
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2011-12-28 20:11:42 UTC
Lol same thing is happening in the western world. Instead there it's called 'Media and news.

People are equally stupid everywhere on this worldCool

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Citizen20100211442
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-12-28 20:19:44 UTC
Froz3nEcho Sarain wrote:
Lol same thing is happening in the western world. Instead there it's called 'Media and news.

People are equally stupid everywhere on this worldCool


Yeah pretty same **** happened, when newgen liberal fags mourned Steve Jobs

To be, or not to be, that's the question.

Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-12-30 00:20:53 UTC
free north korea
BLACK-STAR
#8 - 2011-12-30 00:29:06 UTC
who cares
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2011-12-30 00:37:11 UTC
It wasn't a bad service.
Jago Kain
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2011-12-30 11:22:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jago Kain
The mass media is bollocks basically.

When Diana died in that tunnel in France if you looked at the UK media you'd have thought the entire country had ground to a halt under a carpet of snotty tissues (Kleenex for the colonials amongst you) and tear induced flash floods in low lying areas.

The simple truth was that as upset as some folk seemed to be, most of us couldn't have given a toss about the death of some sloan slapper with a penchant for embarrassing our richest family of mutant inbreds by shagging rugby players and posing for bacon shots in gyms.

The only issue I had with the death of Diana was the fact that you couldn't turn the TV on for about 3 weeks without some sycophantic twunt gazing soulfully into the middle distance and barely being able to speak because of the loss of some spoilt tart who they'd never even met and who wouldn't have pissed on them if they were on fire the month previous.

Odd.... I don't remember them being that upset when my Nan went and she hadn't shagged hardly any rugby players or sons of rich corner shop owners.

One original thought is worth a thousand mindless quotings - Diogenes.

Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2011-12-31 12:02:41 UTC
A great man has passed.
I will honor his name, Kim Jong-il, by writing it in the snow and in large yellow letters.







Um..... don't eat that snow.

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VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2011-12-31 12:19:44 UTC
Citizen20100211442 wrote:
Froz3nEcho Sarain wrote:
Lol same thing is happening in the western world. Instead there it's called 'Media and news.

People are equally stupid everywhere on this worldCool


Yeah pretty same **** happened, when newgen liberal fags mourned Steve Jobs





I hate that I'm laughing at this, but I cannot begin to deny the parallel. Shocked

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Toshiro GreyHawk
#13 - 2012-01-01 10:59:58 UTC


Eh ... pretty much the same thing as when Mao died. His policies were responsible for the death of millions of Chinese but he was the only leader many of the young people had known - and then of course there was always the "if only the Emperor Knew!" psychology that just can't - or won't - believe that the guy at the top actually knows what suffering he's causing.

Same thing with Stalin.

Similar things happened when FDR passed - though not being a really demonstrative people at funerals (over all) you didn't see the same kind of wailing.


As to why so much mourning for someone who had only brought his nation starvation?


1) As above he was the only leader many had known. They'd been raised on propaganda of how great he was and knew little else.

2) Others were terrified to be seen mourning less than someone else - lest they find themselves in trouble.

3) In a crowd of people all doing the same thing, crying, yawning, laughing, coughing - there's a tendency to do the same..



As to what's going to happen now ... the North Koreans don't know ... how can anyone else?

We'll just have to see.

The good news is - they say it's going to still be several years before they can hit me with a nuke ... which is better than getting nuked tomorrow ... I guess ...

*shrug*



As with Iran - when some such nation finally does nuke someone - people will be running around screaming "Why wasn't something done!?!" when the only thing that could have been done - go to war with these countries and remove their leadership ... would have gotten just the reaction it did when we went into Iraq, finally doing what we should have done a decade earlier..


Of course ... Pakistan and india both have nukes. They're not seen in the same light as Iran or N. Korea but ... there are unstable variables there - especially in regards to each other ... which is why most people aren't that worried about them. Yes - they've got nukes - but they'll probably use them on each other before they use them on anyone else. Any nuke they gave to terrorists would be a nuke they couldn't drop themselves on the people they really hate.





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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#14 - 2012-01-01 12:03:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Herr Wilkus
Personally, I think it really sucked that the death of a fat turd like Kim Jong Il totally overshadowed the passing of a true champion of freedom, Czech Pres. Vaclav Havel.

Thanks to him, I've had the opportunity to make many friends - and spent a lot of quality time (and drink a lot of beverages) in both Czech Republic and Slovakia.

I cannot say the same, or speak with any authority on North Korea.

Perhaps we should open this thread up to the North Korean EVE community.

Maybe they can shed some light on what they think about their new leadership.

C'mon North Koreans! POST UP!
svetlana
Constellation Guard
#15 - 2012-01-01 22:33:10 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
...

Perhaps we should open this thread up to the North Korean EVE community.

Maybe they can shed some light on what they think about their new leadership.

C'mon North Koreans! POST UP!


the north korea border is has towers to block tv or radio signals/information from getting in from the outside, and the entire country is blacked out at night confirmed by nasa photos. Is anyone inside north korea even allowed to have access to the outside internet?

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#16 - 2012-01-01 22:38:41 UTC
svetlana wrote:
Herr Wilkus wrote:
...

Perhaps we should open this thread up to the North Korean EVE community.

Maybe they can shed some light on what they think about their new leadership.

C'mon North Koreans! POST UP!


the north korea border is has towers to block tv or radio signals/information from getting in from the outside, and the entire country is blacked out at night confirmed by nasa photos. Is anyone inside north korea even allowed to have access to the outside internet?



They do play a handfull of UK films and dubbed buggs bunny cartoons with anti-America plots.
Toshiro GreyHawk
#17 - 2012-01-01 23:07:05 UTC


The internet pretty much consists of a bunch of routers. Your ISP for example would have one. Control the routers and you control access to the internet. Control the routers and you can block whatever you want.

I seriously doubt that anything they don't want coming in comes in.

I would expect that they do have some routers though ... if only so their hackers can attack other nations infrastructure. I am ignorant of where N. Korea fits in the realm of Cyber Attacks though. China, I understand, is fairly big - but that's China.


*shrug*

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