EVE General Discussion

I copied everything you said. So logic dictates you are arguing against player retention because it means players playing a part of the game you irrationally dislike.

Why should people not generating income be brought up at all? Just because you want to be petulant about it?

Risk vs reward purely reflects against income generating activities. Try as you might, you can't shift those goal posts.

Where was the explicit statement that any specific individuals were hurting retention?

"The end, you lose"

That's productive for conversation now isn't it. That's exactly the attitude needed to draw new players into doing exactly what you want them to. All it does is immediately put people on the defensive, make them combative and uncooperative.

"Your side" is a statement that would have to be pointed at someone, and even without identifying who that is the reasoning should stand. I've seen statements about specific positives, but few net negatives.

Even the supposed directly harmful influence of NPC corps was disproven the last I'd heard, granted they generally lack beneficial retention elements.

It's not supposed to be. Accept the facts, or don't. It doesn't matter to me which you choose.

Ah, I love when someone tries to claim that a personal anecdote invalidates hard data.

Although it was funnier when that clown Dracvlad did it with Star Citizen forum dwellers, people who literally are not EVE players.

Yeah but Ccps running off of pure assumption here with this. Sure they have data showing that people who stick to npc based corps don't stay subbed for long, but that doesn't mean those people are sticking to pure pve. I do both personally, and I'm in a npc corp. Pves my afterwork relaxation, Pvps my day off fun.

Now yes, I will be moving into a player corp once I find a group of people that don't annoy the snot out of me. Will I be having required log on times and events dictate my playtime? No. I have a life, twelve hour workdays, a fiancé, a wedding in 28 days, and a cat. You ever had a cat? Children would be a calmer choice over that creature lol.

Well, the statistics that are shown everyday, in game, would counter your argument.

You are saying that CCP is saying, that high sec and PVE content in general are the cause of reduced player retention.
However, it appears that you (or they) have not been logging in and looking around high sec.

There are literally thousands of players who have been retained because they enjoy the PVE content.
However, in many cases, their loss of retention is due to the boredom induced by soloing.

That said, they end up essentially being forced into solo boredom due to game mechanics that try to enforce PVP that they don't want.

See, it would actually be better for player retention to reduce PVP potential in high sec, as more casual players would be retained and even CCP is willing to admit that casual players have significantly higher numbers.



What would significantly help player retention, and entice players to join player corps, would be to add more PVE content that favors fleets, and more specifically, small scale fleets.

If there was PVE content for small fleets that was enticing, I'm willing to bet you'd see more players in corps, and a higher player retention.

Not to mention, carebears would be more likely to stick around after a gank, as there is still entertainment they can be involved in without a big shiny ship.


It would also increase newbro retention if they added new fleet content for frig and cruiser fleets that didn't result in constant losses.


I would gladly hop in a logi frig and fly around running group content with a newbro, if the content existed, as he would eventually be at the level I am; able to fly in small fleet BS content.

No, I don't believe that is a valid conclusion from CCPs analysis.

At Fanfest this year CCP Rise gave an anecdote about another CCP employee who had joined the game many years ago and had happily played in his starter Corp since then, involved in a range of highsec PvE activities. It is a perfectly fine choice. (e. It might have actually been the CCP employee himself and not Rise who relayed the anecdote. I'll try to find it)

However, when all the data is aggregated, that style of play is not the most successful way to produce long term subscribed players. For those it suits, it's great.

For the bulk of people, other experiences seem to be more likely to result in long term subscription.

CCP are also not interested in forcing people down one specific path. They just want to expose people to more varied experience early with some control to ensure they get the needed skills and then hopefully more will find the play style that hooks them, whether that's solo npc Corp play or not.