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Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#101 - 2015-05-18 21:54:45 UTC
Anuri Suaraj wrote:

But we who call ourselves the Amarr strive for a different kind of greatness. A power that doesn't frighten or blackmail but instead inspires, and leaves everyone in awe of our general awesomeness.

People don't bow down to us but rather sort of helplessly tumble down to their floor just as soon as they realize who we are and what we stand for. Be it the impeccable goldness of our ships, our unrelenting faith, or the great many virtues of our divinely inspired character, all heathens are simply cut of at the knees and swept aside by our very presence.

The day you understand the difference in those two powers is the day you will be able to tell the difference between a true son of Amarr and a mere posing heathen.

That is all.


That's working wonderfully for you so far, isn't it?

In the past two decades, your Empire has been beaten by the Jove, the Minmatar and the Federation (at a minimum) more times than one, your Reclaiming has ground to a halt and is limited by the scope of a man-made international entity and treaty rather than upheld by the divine will of God, your military conquest of the Minmatar warzone is being championed primarily by a mercenary corp aligned with the Kaalakiota corporation of the State and assisting the 24th Imperial Crusade by contract commission and your own Empire is fraught with social, political and religious reform as these combined failures have forced the more enlightened among your population to consider in more depth the gravity of the state of affairs surrounding them.

Perhaps when your mental age and maturity matches your outward appearance you'll understand why it would serve your Empire and your God more to look inward and consider what it truly means to be a servant of God and a citizen of the Empire than to come to these discussions with empty boasts and an inflated sense of self-worth.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#102 - 2015-05-18 22:08:13 UTC
Liam Antolliere wrote:
Anuri Suaraj wrote:

But we who call ourselves the Amarr strive for a different kind of greatness. A power that doesn't frighten or blackmail but instead inspires, and leaves everyone in awe of our general awesomeness.

People don't bow down to us but rather sort of helplessly tumble down to their floor just as soon as they realize who we are and what we stand for. Be it the impeccable goldness of our ships, our unrelenting faith, or the great many virtues of our divinely inspired character, all heathens are simply cut of at the knees and swept aside by our very presence.

The day you understand the difference in those two powers is the day you will be able to tell the difference between a true son of Amarr and a mere posing heathen.

That is all.


That's working wonderfully for you so far, isn't it?

In the past two decades, your Empire has been beaten by the Jove, the Minmatar and the Federation (at a minimum) more times than one, your Reclaiming has ground to a halt and is limited by the scope of a man-made international entity and treaty rather than upheld by the divine will of God, your military conquest of the Minmatar warzone is being championed primarily by a mercenary corp aligned with the Kaalakiota corporation of the State and assisting the 24th Imperial Crusade by contract commission and your own Empire is fraught with social, political and religious reform as these combined failures have forced the more enlightened among your population to consider in more depth the gravity of the state of affairs surrounding them.

Perhaps when your mental age and maturity matches your outward appearance you'll understand why it would serve your Empire and your God more to look inward and consider what it truly means to be a servant of God and a citizen of the Empire than to come to these discussions with empty boasts and an inflated sense of self-worth.


Shots fired....

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#103 - 2015-05-18 22:26:49 UTC
Liam Antolliere wrote:
Anuri Suaraj wrote:

But we who call ourselves the Amarr strive for a different kind of greatness. A power that doesn't frighten or blackmail but instead inspires, and leaves everyone in awe of our general awesomeness.

People don't bow down to us but rather sort of helplessly tumble down to their floor just as soon as they realize who we are and what we stand for. Be it the impeccable goldness of our ships, our unrelenting faith, or the great many virtues of our divinely inspired character, all heathens are simply cut of at the knees and swept aside by our very presence.

The day you understand the difference in those two powers is the day you will be able to tell the difference between a true son of Amarr and a mere posing heathen.

That is all.


That's working wonderfully for you so far, isn't it?

In the past two decades, your Empire has been beaten by the Jove, the Minmatar and the Federation (at a minimum) more times than one, your Reclaiming has ground to a halt and is limited by the scope of a man-made international entity and treaty rather than upheld by the divine will of God, your military conquest of the Minmatar warzone is being championed primarily by a mercenary corp aligned with the Kaalakiota corporation of the State and assisting the 24th Imperial Crusade by contract commission and your own Empire is fraught with social, political and religious reform as these combined failures have forced the more enlightened among your population to consider in more depth the gravity of the state of affairs surrounding them.

Perhaps when your mental age and maturity matches your outward appearance you'll understand why it would serve your Empire and your God more to look inward and consider what it truly means to be a servant of God and a citizen of the Empire than to come to these discussions with empty boasts and an inflated sense of self-worth.



As a member of a certain Kaalakiota aligned corporation, enlisted in the Crusade, I have to add feel Anuri is free to come to low sec and tell me what he thinks of the Matari people while in space, lets see if his God protects his ship if he gets on grid with me. I certainly know I won't "helplessly tumble to the floor" at your presence, not if you are capable of losing an Astero to a Manticore, as public records would suggest.

I have to agree broadly with Liam's sentiment here, and I think most of us here understand the Empire and it's Faith, and it is foolish to assert that we don't.
Anuri Suaraj
The Cylar Foundation
#104 - 2015-05-19 11:30:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Anuri Suaraj
Liam Antolliere wrote:


In the past two decades, your Empire has been beaten by the Jove, the Minmatar and the Federation (at a minimum) more times than one, your Reclaiming has ground to a halt and is limited by the scope of a man-made international entity and treaty rather than upheld by the divine will of God, your military conquest of the Minmatar warzone is being championed primarily by a mercenary corp aligned with the Kaalakiota corporation of the State and assisting the 24th Imperial Crusade by contract commission and your own Empire is fraught with social, political and religious reform as these combined failures have forced the more enlightened among your population to consider in more depth the gravity of the state of affairs surrounding them.




These are simply trials and tribulations put forth by God to test our faith. I think he can already see who has failed him.


ValentinaDLM wrote:


As a member of a certain Kaalakiota aligned corporation, enlisted in the Crusade, I have to add feel Anuri is free to come to low sec and tell me what he thinks of the Matari people while in space, lets see if his God protects his ship if he gets on grid with me. I certainly know I won't "helplessly tumble to the floor" at your presence, not if you are capable of losing an Astero to a Manticore, as public records would suggest.

I have to agree broadly with Liam's sentiment here, and I think most of us here understand the Empire and it's Faith, and it is foolish to assert that we don't.


Firstly, how dare you bring up a most traumatic event in such a casual manner. When I first acquired my piloting license, I set off for an expedition into wormhole space.

The whole expedition was nothing more peaceful exploration in an unarmed vessel. And then some murderer took it upon himself to destroy my vessel and kill my innocent crew.

I am not surprised the likes of you to consider that sort of behavior acceptable.

Those few seconds I spent warping away in my capsule, were the hardest moments in my life. The knowledge that my lack of experience had brought about the death of three men is something that torments me to this day.

It is also why I took it upon myself to become more adept at scanning and covert exploration. I could come to your system and warp circles around you all day and you wouldn't even know I was there.

Also, to show my unrelenting faith, I have disabled both my replacement clone and my capsule's warp drive.

Whatever fate my new crew suffers, I shall be there with them, and perish with them. Can you say the same "noble" Matari?
Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#105 - 2015-05-19 13:25:34 UTC
While your empathy toward your crew is commendable and admirable, your self-righteous condescension of everyone around you is deplorable.

Perhaps if you could learn to apply the same empathy toward those around you other than simply your crew, you would have more success promulgating your faith to others.

Carrying on as you do just sours people to both you and your message and is rather counter intuitive.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
Jade Blackwind
#106 - 2015-05-19 13:54:17 UTC
Anuri Suaraj wrote:
Also, to show my unrelenting faith, I have disabled both my replacement clone and my capsule's warp drive.

Whatever fate my new crew suffers, I shall be there with them, and perish with them.
One can only hope that more of your brothers and sisters in faith would embrace this noble oath.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#107 - 2015-05-19 17:57:49 UTC
Anuri Suaraj wrote:

Also, to show my unrelenting faith, I have disabled both my replacement clone and my capsule's warp drive.


I'm sure you wouldn't want auxiliary forces fighting for your noble Empress to do so with their hands tied behind their backs. We'll get on with the job of protecting the Empire's borders and leave the grand gestures to those who have the luxury of making them.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Anuri Suaraj
The Cylar Foundation
#108 - 2015-05-20 12:11:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Anuri Suaraj
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Anuri Suaraj wrote:

Also, to show my unrelenting faith, I have disabled both my replacement clone and my capsule's warp drive.


I'm sure you wouldn't want auxiliary forces fighting for your noble Empress to do so with their hands tied behind their backs. We'll get on with the job of protecting the Empire's borders and leave the grand gestures to those who have the luxury of making them.


I'm sorry but were you under some delusion that you're protecting a border somewhere?

I mean, surely you militia types realize what your actual purpose is?

Or do you actually believe that when you're engaged in combat in some inconsequential system in the middle of nowhere fighting capsuleers of the opposing faction, that you're actually having an impact on the actual division of resources of the four powers?

I hate to break it to you but the dual purpose of capsuleer militias remains what it has always been:

1. To provide profit to various corporations via taxation of all the arms trades necessary to sustain these militias

2. To decrease overpopulation of the planets in New Eden through the continued slaughter of expendable crewmen that occupy both yours and your enemy's ships

This is the ugly truth.

And to prove it as such you only need to cease with your "job of protecting the Empire's borders" and then wait and see if these borders change in any drastic way.

You are all just pawns of the most oblivious kind.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#109 - 2015-05-20 13:31:36 UTC
You heard it here folks - apparently there are too many Amarrians in the Cluster.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#110 - 2015-05-22 14:32:16 UTC
The warriors of the Minmatar Militia welcome the attitude of our Amarr foes. History has a tendency to repeat itself and every empire that has ever found itself dependant on the services of mercenaries has met a poor end. Truly the end is nigh for the Empire of Gold and its dusty fleet.

The purist warriors of Amarr militia fall before the wrath of our auto cannons and the only thing that has protected your Ivory Tower thus far are the pilots of PY-RE. This even can be turned to our advantage, true warriors are forged in adversity and one day we will have refined our attacks against the Caldaris best to a point where your bodyguards are insufficient and your noble Amarr crusaders will be too bloated by inactivity to stand before us.

To everyone else who claims the mantle of being a true Minmatar and ignores the opportunities for vengeance against our ancient foes in favour of piracy or profit I assure you; once the Valklears and their Generals raise the flags of the Tribes over the last Amarr held Low Sec system you may be asked to clarify your contribution to our victory along with the cowardly politicians, I warn you if found guilty of being apathetic to our struggle against the slavers on behalf of all Matari, Valklear justice can be if nothing else...inventive.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#111 - 2015-05-22 16:42:11 UTC
I would like to remind the honourable lady from the Hoplite Brigade that we are also growing stronger in opposition to her and her comrades.

I suppose the difference is that, at the end of the war, we go back home. Perhaps that is the one downside of hiring mercenaries - all the knowledge, experience and treasure we gain in service goes back to the State and not the Empire.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#112 - 2015-05-22 17:27:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Deitra Vess
Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:


To everyone else who claims the mantle of being a true Minmatar and ignores the opportunities for vengeance against our ancient foes in favour of piracy or profit I assure you; once the Valklears and their Generals raise the flags of the Tribes over the last Amarr held Low Sec system you may be asked to clarify your contribution to our victory along with the cowardly politicians, I warn you if found guilty of being apathetic to our struggle against the slavers on behalf of all Matari, Valklear justice can be if nothing else...inventive.


Not every Matari who fights, but not under the militia flag fights against their home. It isn't that black and white. There are always some reasons for it, not necessarially always good ones but reasons none the less. Also I really wouldn't be honest with myself if I claimed to be a true matari, That's why I don't fly with the militia and why I strive to better myself so I can make such claims.
Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#113 - 2015-05-22 17:45:21 UTC
Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:
The warriors of the Minmatar Militia welcome the attitude of our Amarr foes. History has a tendency to repeat itself and every empire that has ever found itself dependant on the services of mercenaries has met a poor end. Truly the end is nigh for the Empire of Gold and its dusty fleet.

The purist warriors of Amarr militia fall before the wrath of our auto cannons and the only thing that has protected your Ivory Tower thus far are the pilots of PY-RE. This even can be turned to our advantage, true warriors are forged in adversity and one day we will have refined our attacks against the Caldaris best to a point where your bodyguards are insufficient and your noble Amarr crusaders will be too bloated by inactivity to stand before us.

To everyone else who claims the mantle of being a true Minmatar and ignores the opportunities for vengeance against our ancient foes in favour of piracy or profit I assure you; once the Valklears and their Generals raise the flags of the Tribes over the last Amarr held Low Sec system you may be asked to clarify your contribution to our victory along with the cowardly politicians, I warn you if found guilty of being apathetic to our struggle against the slavers on behalf of all Matari, Valklear justice can be if nothing else...inventive.


Is ignorance really this blissful?
Jade Blackwind
#114 - 2015-05-22 17:54:34 UTC
Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:
To everyone else who claims the mantle of being a true Minmatar and ignores the opportunities for vengeance against our ancient foes in favour of piracy or profit I assure you; once the Valklears and their Generals raise the flags of the Tribes over the last Amarr held Low Sec system you may be asked to clarify your contribution to our victory along with the cowardly politicians, I warn you if found guilty of being apathetic to our struggle against the slavers on behalf of all Matari, Valklear justice can be if nothing else...inventive.
Just about time. All the true loyalist Minmatar in this forum were far too wise, good-natured and/or reasonable. It's about time the Republic got its own Nauplius/Kim.

Anyanka Funk wrote:
Is ignorance really this blissful?
Oh, it is, and even much, much more than this.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#115 - 2015-05-22 18:05:20 UTC
I wouldn't go that far, there's nothing wrong with differing opinions.
Jade Blackwind
#116 - 2015-05-22 18:12:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Blackwind
Deitra Vess wrote:
I wouldn't go that far, there's nothing wrong with differing opinions.
Case in point number one, even if not really a hardcore loyalist: too thukkin' damn good-natured.

hehe
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#117 - 2015-05-22 18:21:27 UTC
Jade Blackwind wrote:
It's about time the Republic got its own Nauplius/Kim.
I suppose this just leaves the Gallente with an extremist slot open here....

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#118 - 2015-05-22 18:24:04 UTC
well, I come here to talk, I undock to fight, and I hope to keep it that way...
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#119 - 2015-05-22 18:31:02 UTC
Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:
The warriors of the Minmatar Militia welcome the attitude of our Amarr foes. History has a tendency to repeat itself and every empire that has ever found itself dependant on the services of mercenaries has met a poor end. Truly the end is nigh for the Empire of Gold and its dusty fleet.

The purist warriors of Amarr militia fall before the wrath of our auto cannons and the only thing that has protected your Ivory Tower thus far are the pilots of PY-RE. This even can be turned to our advantage, true warriors are forged in adversity and one day we will have refined our attacks against the Caldaris best to a point where your bodyguards are insufficient and your noble Amarr crusaders will be too bloated by inactivity to stand before us.

To everyone else who claims the mantle of being a true Minmatar and ignores the opportunities for vengeance against our ancient foes in favour of piracy or profit I assure you; once the Valklears and their Generals raise the flags of the Tribes over the last Amarr held Low Sec system you may be asked to clarify your contribution to our victory along with the cowardly politicians, I warn you if found guilty of being apathetic to our struggle against the slavers on behalf of all Matari, Valklear justice can be if nothing else...inventive.



Nameira, I understand why you might feel like this. I respect your ability, and the ability of all who serve the Republic, and do so out of a feeling of service to the Matari people. I don't know however, if I am doing my people as a whole any worse here in the Yolocolo, than the Huola Coalition that I used to be in when I flew alongside Iron Oxide, The Periphery and other forces that were at the time enrolled in the TLF.

The issue is, that culturally I want to identify with my people, that is the Brutor Tribe. Politically, the Brutor Tribe has indeed sided with the Republic, rather than taking the more reasonable path of the Thukker Tribe, and swearing off CONCORD. There are Brutor in the Federation, and in the Cartel in large numbers, and many of them still maintain their tribal traditions and ceremonies. I don't have to be waving the flag of the Republic in order to practice any particular culture.

If a concerted effort is made, and the Republic can be made into a place that is worthy of defending and sacrificing for, then I might change my mind; but in the state it is iin now, the Valklears would have to kill a significant portion of the Matari people, since they don't live in the Republic, and aren't helping it. If people in the service of the Republic really want to do something worthwhile, focus on the infrastructure, industry and defence of the Republic not "opportunities for vengeance".
Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#120 - 2015-05-22 19:44:02 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Jade Blackwind wrote:
It's about time the Republic got its own Nauplius/Kim.
I suppose this just leaves the Gallente with an extremist slot open here....



Oh, we've extremists aplenty....

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."