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To be honest, what's the best way of making ISK?

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Pinaculus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2011-12-28 07:09:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Pinaculus
Mining is pretty poorly designed, and a terrible way to earn ISK. Once you get out of mining you'll see that nearly every other set of skills has a better earning potential. Mining is great for only one reason. It's, for some people, kind of relaxing. You earn minimal ISK, but can chat with friends while you do it.

If you love the market game then check out Planetary Interaction, Invention, Trade, or Manufacturing. Station trading is the easiest of these get into. Basically, you find a market hub and scour the market for stuff to buy cheap and sell expensive.

If you love blowing stuff up then check out missions. They're very straightforward, but get a bit tedious after a while.

If you love probing stuff down (and explosions) then check out exploration. You can get started in high-sec, but low/null and wormholes are the end-game for these. It's very competitive in high, and very dangerous in low/null, and super dangerous in WHs. Even so, the payout is fantastic and there's PVP sometimes.

If you love fleeting with people and chatting with random strangers skill up for Incursions. The money is great and you meet lots of people. It'll get you used to jargon that is used in PVP fleets, but you'll need a pretty solid set of combat skills to start. Not super, but a couple of months at minimum. It's probably the best money in the game, and after you grind them a few months you won't really care about ISK any more.

If you love duels and PVP take your 30 million and buy a bunch of T1 frigates. Cruise the belts in low-sec and PVP with other people. You'll get the hang of what you can take and what you can't, people that beat you will often give you good advice, and some people fit stupidly expensive mods to their PVP ships. The money isn't that great, but it's kinda fun. If you get a good rep you can join a PVP corp and get steady fleets.

A null sec corp can be good, I hear. As I've never tried that I won't comment much. I know that fun in null is completely based on how fun your corp is, so if you get in a crappy one don't be afraid to ditch them. The money is very very good, and there's lots of PVP (I hear).

There's other stuff I haven't mentioned, but that's one cool thing about EVE. It's big. There's lots of little places to make cash. Once you learn your way around ISK is really not an issue unless you want to be super mega rich.

Edit: There's also a guide at www.isktheguide.com It's free.

I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.

Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#22 - 2011-12-28 07:18:42 UTC
As suggested, there are many ways to make money in Eve. good starter ones have already been posted so I'm not going to do that.

Instead, I recommend you try a bit of everything you can, and do what you enjoy most. I started off as a miner, though I found solo mining very boring, but group mining was fun ( and also more profitable because of the fleet booster ). I tried missioning, and have done it a lot, but I don't like it much, it's something I do when I don't feel like doing other things.
Then I started exploration, first just in high sec. It's an eratic form of income, some nights as noob I made 100-200M isk, some nights I was lucky with 10M, but the eraticness also gave it a thrill, scanning stuff down, hoping for something good, then going in, hoping I could take on what was there, and the joy of finding good loot. ( I found a Dramiel BPC in my first month of playing Eve, I still have that dramiel, and I treasure it for the fun I had when I found it )

Nowadays, I am part explorer, part industrialist, slowly expanding my production repetoire, saving up for new ventures when I come up with a new way to make isk through manufacture of something, pouring over numbers, crunching things out, and loving it when a new venture started to let the cash flow in. The last weeks though I've been slowly getting more and more a taste of pew pew, and that lust for pod goo.. so who knows what the future is going to bring.

Does railgun ammunition come in Hollow Point?

Jacob Stiller
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2011-12-28 07:25:56 UTC
"Best way of making ISK" is a bit subjective. Of the "legitimate" ways of making isk, station trading will bring in one of the largest seas of ISK. Best of all, you technically don't need much SP at all to participate. Although some skills and standings do help. However, the 0.01 ISK wars can suck at times, and burnout will probably prevent you from throwing yourself into the ring everyday. Surely, you will go insane if it is the only thing you do. However, when you're in the right mood, the mountains of isk you can make in few short days can be quite exciting.

This all comes with the disclaimer that you should understand how trading works in the first place. If you come barging in woefully ignorant or have no talent for the craft, you may very well lose mountains of isk instead.
Vyl Vit
#24 - 2011-12-28 09:47:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Vyl Vit
It isn't about money. It's about making Lady Harlot hate you...ummm...Freudian slip there...

If you look at this as a shopping center with the only hold up being no credit card, like most of these scam scam scammers do, then you'll never have enough since enough will never be enough. You make a billion, and all you can see is that "1" and the itch hits you about turning it into a "2". Once that "2" is there...where's my "3"? On and on it goes till it rolls over to the next denominator.

Even if you had billions to buy a buncha crap, most of it you couldn't use anyway wivvout that training...training...training...which leads to the OTHER motivation - capability. Being able to do some things very well and just not bothering to do them because they're beneath you is far more rewarding than making endless ISK in a race to nowhere special.

You see, true freedom lies in your ability to just do NOTHING, and gloat about it. The catch is, if you can't do anything then doing nothing isn't very special. If you can do EVERYTHING, and do it well, then not doing anything becomes the quintessence of pleasure. That's when you're in the leisure class.

Don't be a squirrel and constantly rabbit for money (pardon the mixed metaphor). Be a lion and just hang out surveying your surroundings with untouchable arrogance. You'll be glad you did!

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.

Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#25 - 2011-12-28 09:51:20 UTC
I would not recommend starting gambles like invention or trading with your low amount of isk. You should have at least 500 M before you start one of those careers and be prepared to lose a lot of money until you have really learned what you are doing and how to do it.
Just my 0,02 Isk.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Lexmana
#26 - 2011-12-28 09:59:33 UTC
If you ever are gonna buy a PLEX for $$ and sell for ISK now is the time. That 450M ISK will be a small fortune for a new player like yourself and you can relax a little and fit your ships decently. Just spend it wisely. Later on you will be able to make the ISK yourself and 450M is not that big of a deal.

But seriously, mining? I got bored already during the tutorials.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2011-12-28 10:25:38 UTC
Selinate wrote:
If you actually want to make a decent amount of isk through scamming, you have to rip off people directly through trade windows or other means

This is one of the worst ways to make money scamming...only a (tiny) step up from contract scams.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
#28 - 2011-12-28 10:53:33 UTC
Eve suffers under certain automated programs which play eve and earn money. They naturally do simple stuff like mining or ratting. It's strictly against the EULA so don't do it. There are alliances to be known for doing it anyway and stay unharmed.

That's all rumours and I think I'm just making up these things...pathetic programs playing a sophisticated space simulator like Eve Online, where mining asteroids is the most diversified activity...

Not that I want to encourage you to look into that route, but you asked about a "best way": Not playing Eve and earning money is a great ratio for income/playtime, in a parralel universe, of course.

Odyssey: Repacking in POS hangars for modules +1,  but please for other stuff too, especially containers. Make containers openable in POS hangars.

Shawnm339
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2011-12-28 11:07:32 UTC
Took me a year but just made my first bill lost a load moving to nullsec but had immense fun learning finally got back on my feet to the point where there's ships I'd like fullfill roles within my allaince but nothing extra ordinary I really want had my eye on a legion for a while but theyre just pixels on a screen you dont play to make isk you play to blow up or be blwon up there is nothing else in eve as much fun or that can be financially rewarding as taking down a carrier in a wormhole and looting the stuff that drops....

My wallet is a means to an end and nothing more....others base their success on the accumulation of wealth at the end of the day is what you make it I've run level 4s til i wanted to punch my dog...I've done incursions..I've done probing I now have the ships to do as I please bored of havens I'll go probe.....form a quick gate camp.....go to hi sec for a bit of care bearing in incursions keep your options open by having the ships and this world is as limitless as the ships you posess...don't own the one best level 4 ship own one that allows you to own a probing ship or an incursion runner.....set your goals low for now aim to fly a harby say and do level 3s skill up to the max for the fittings available....

I've found by keeping my options open I've seen some of the best and worst bits this game has to offer
Pyhrrus Otsada
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2011-12-28 11:30:27 UTC
Dirk Magnum wrote:
You're not actually that poor by newb standards. If you want to make more ISK than you are currently, try salvaging.

I mean, if you want to stay within predictable, conventional game mechanics. Otherwise, scam, scam, scam.


Hes mining.
Hes poor by all and any standards that exist.

I've been playing 16 days and I've made over 220m missioning.
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#31 - 2011-12-28 11:32:33 UTC
Sadly FW Mission are worth about 300M per hour and can be done solo in a SB for the right faction "COUGH CALDARI COUGH"RollRoll

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.

Kurama Bingyi
Doomheim
#32 - 2011-12-28 11:50:05 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Scamming is, by far, the best way to make isk. Mining is probably the worst way to make money and is so boring you'll quit the game in frustration before you make enough to recoup your investment in exhumers, mods and skillbooks.


To be honest, Harlot's telling the truth. If you go to Amarr, there's a character named "Spaceship Barbie" (or something like that) who's racked up over a dozen-billion (I think those are the numbers) ISK just from doing the Tritanium (I think that's what it's called) scam - basically selling a single ore for ludicrous amounts of ISK, saying that they were buying Trit and were willing to pay that amount of money.

Also, Harlot's in GoonWaffe, which makes its living off of scamming. So you're getting this from an expert in the field.

"Nay," responded Kurama Bingyi, "to crush your enemies, to see them fall at your feet - to take their horses and goods and hear the lamentation of their women. That is best."

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2011-12-28 11:59:12 UTC
Try to use your brain.

Or, find a job, work an hour, buy PLEX.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#34 - 2011-12-28 12:06:32 UTC
High sec incursions are the best balance of safety (absurdly safe) and isk-making (absurdly profitable). Not many activities in Eve allow you to make that much isk.

I much prefer exploration and wormhole excursions. My isk/hour isn't that much below incursions but it feels a lot less like grinding and I get to see interesting stuff more frequently.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

TharOkha
0asis Group
#35 - 2011-12-28 12:20:29 UTC  |  Edited by: TharOkha
Trading. Always were, always be . If you know what you are doing, you can make billion (or more) a day and you dont need to be online for hours to make profit. Of course you need a couple of billions to start serious trading. Incursions or Lvl4 missions are a good start.
Gypsio III
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2011-12-28 12:23:42 UTC
The best way of making ISK is one where you don't have to waste your valuable online time doing it. That rules out mining and missions, for a start.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#37 - 2011-12-28 12:24:06 UTC
You could do a lot worse than reading through the Making ISK guide on the EVElopedia.
ChrisDude70
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#38 - 2011-12-28 12:30:54 UTC
Wormholes.

Find yourself a well established WH corporation. Get in with them. Ratting for a few hours can bring in 100 million isk or more.
Atticus Fynch
#39 - 2011-12-28 13:13:15 UTC
Invest in exotic dancers and open a brothel.Blink

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Pinaculus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2011-12-28 13:45:09 UTC
Kurama Bingyi wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Scamming is, by far, the best way to make isk. Mining is probably the worst way to make money and is so boring you'll quit the game in frustration before you make enough to recoup your investment in exhumers, mods and skillbooks.


To be honest, Harlot's telling the truth. If you go to Amarr, there's a character named "Spaceship Barbie" (or something like that) who's racked up over a dozen-billion (I think those are the numbers) ISK just from doing the Tritanium (I think that's what it's called) scam - basically selling a single ore for ludicrous amounts of ISK, saying that they were buying Trit and were willing to pay that amount of money.

Also, Harlot's in GoonWaffe, which makes its living off of scamming. So you're getting this from an expert in the field.



There's a couple of things that I just can't understand about this.

Who doesn't know that the 1-trit contract is a scam? It's so obvious!

And Spaceship Barbie is e-famous for scamming, so how does anybody give her money?

I guess I just give people too much credit. Maybe there really is a sucker born every minute.

I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.