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Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2015-05-21 21:34:48 UTC
Oh and CODE is notorious for ganking permit holders on the grounds of some perceived "violation." It's just a roleplaying device designed to distinguish their activities from harassment and while their whole religion is very entertaining and generates much content, a "mining permit" will not protect you if you go AFK in a paper hulk.

Get a skiff man, it's like a brick tanked battleship that's actually good at mining.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#42 - 2015-05-21 21:48:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Revis Owen wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
OP has come up with a valid strategy and is asking for opinions, not RP propaganda.


Code permit tank is NOT propaganda and is definitely valid advice for being safer from ganks. You're not a noob, so I'm frankly surprised you confused valid advice for propaganda.
The permit is a device that allows you to play as you do without breaking any rules, nothing more, nothing less.

I support the idea behind the New Order, behind the long winded narrative from James and the RP is some common sense. I count some members of the New Order as friends, and you sir are making them look bad.

The OP is not your target demographic, the moron in an untanked barge or exhumer, mining with the client minimised, or otherwise AFK who gets ganked and then complains on the forum is.

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Revis Owen
Krigmakt Elite
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#43 - 2015-05-21 22:27:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Revis Owen
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Oh and CODE is notorious for ganking permit holders on the grounds of some perceived "violation." . . . a "mining permit" will not protect you if you go AFK in a paper hulk.


That's not a perceived violation, that's a true violation. Our rules are you must have a permit AND you must be following the Code, which explicitly forbids AFK play and anti-tanking your ship. We honor what we say, sorry to have to burst the bubble of the propaganda you've swallowed from anti-Code rebels.

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Revis Owen
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#44 - 2015-05-21 22:31:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Revis Owen
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
The OP is not your target demographic


Negative. Everyone in James 315's territory (highsec) is our demographic, and our targets are those without permits or not following the Code. The OP falls squarely within our target demographic. Check with the "New Order friends" you claim to have, sir. You are wrong. Again.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#45 - 2015-05-21 23:22:21 UTC
^^ Oh my.

How a once noble cause has become perverted by ego.

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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2015-05-21 23:41:12 UTC  |  Edited by: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Revis, you know that as important as permits are, they aren't exactly fitting advice. Until ccp adds a permit module for the low slot, let them keep it to fitting.

As for the op, that strategy works well , though if you aren't paying 100% attention, moving to a skiff would probably be better.

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Noobshot Elongur
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#47 - 2015-05-22 00:48:57 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
dont pay a code permit, dont fund those idiots



Even better, put more retrievers on the market where they gank. Sooner or later people will wise up not to AFK mine and keep track of who is who in these corp/alliances. This way, they slowly (and I mean SLOWLY in some cases) learn what not to do and you make some ISK in the process.
Revis Owen
Krigmakt Elite
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#48 - 2015-05-22 00:57:06 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
How a once noble cause has become perverted by ego.


Ah, a miner-bingo type quote. We've heard it many times before. I don't know if you're a bot-aspirant or carebear, but you are picking up their memes.

The Supreme Protector said in a recent blog post:
Of all the complaints I see from the bot-aspirants, my favorite may be the one that goes, "The New Order used to stand for something good, but now they've lost their way." Granted, it's an insincere complaint; it only comes from random carebears, not from people who ever actually supported the New Order at any time. Even so, the argument makes me smile, because it's pretty close to an admission of the New Order's dominance in highsec. Remember when carebears used to say the New Order didn't exist, or that the Code was a joke? Now they admit it was right all along--but claim it is corrupted.

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Revis Owen
Krigmakt Elite
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#49 - 2015-05-22 01:01:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Revis Owen
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Revis, you know that as important as permits are, they aren't exactly fitting advice.


Bebop, you know that as important as permits are, agents and the Supreme Protector himself commonly consider a Code permit as a fitting, and refer to it as such.

Example:
Agent Lord Kailethre made an impression with his solo kill of a Damage Control Unit-fitted (but not permit-fitted) Orca.
--James 315

The New Order considers the recommendation of having a Code permit in your bio as part of fitting advice. You know this. Or should know it. :)

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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#50 - 2015-05-22 02:25:33 UTC
Revis Owen wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
you are the 1st annoying codie ever.


Each one of us is annoying to the rebels in the area we patrol, and generally we annoy the anti-Code crowd. By far, I am not the first. Welcome to EvE! How many hours have you been playing so far, and are there any questions I may answer for you?


Nope, you're the 1st to annoy me.


imawreck you, djentrpy heck even loyal are cool. you , you're just annoying. Blink


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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#51 - 2015-05-22 02:30:02 UTC
Revis Owen wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
How a once noble cause has become perverted by ego.


Ah, a miner-bingo type quote. We've heard it many times before. I don't know if you're a bot-aspirant or carebear, but you are picking up their memes.
Try none of the above, I may be a bear but I'm no carebear.

I was referring to you in particular, not the New Order in general.


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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#52 - 2015-05-22 05:16:56 UTC
Revis, Jonah is one of the good guys, and a C&P regular.

OP asked good questions and isn't crying.

And Omar is a mission flipper/bear exploder.

You are locking up the wrong targets, mate.

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Jaxi Wreckful
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#53 - 2015-05-22 06:35:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaxi Wreckful
The amount of effort you guys put into not being ganked is crazy. Websites that link to KB APIs, two even three Intel channels. Just watch local. If you want to mine and watch Netflix go to null where Intel channels actually mean something and you're aware of neuts or reds 5-10 jumps out.

Edit: Spelling and such.
flakeys
Doomheim
#54 - 2015-05-22 07:37:53 UTC
Revis Owen wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
For once this isn't about you guys directly.


OP is about better surviving highsec ganking, and CODE. is most synonymous with highsec ganking to most highsec dwellers. Your comment reveals you've been living isolated on your asteroid for far too long without outside contact.



Correct , for those outside of high-sec it's mostly synonymous with carebear-pvp though. Well either that or tournament-dropouts.

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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#55 - 2015-05-22 07:48:16 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Revis Owen wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
For once this isn't about you guys directly.


OP is about better surviving highsec ganking, and CODE. is most synonymous with highsec ganking to most highsec dwellers. Your comment reveals you've been living isolated on your asteroid for far too long without outside contact.



Correct , for those outside of high-sec it's mostly synonymous with carebear-pvp though. Well either that or tournament-dropouts.


i'll go with tournament drop-outs Lol

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Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#56 - 2015-05-22 10:39:43 UTC
Mobadder Thworst wrote:
One option you should consider is to see if you can mitigate damage through orbital speed.

When I'm baiting against gun boats I always drop an orbit can and orbit at a range chosen to reduce inbound damage as much as possible.

If you are worried about the hulks and not about the Orca, you could set up a high speed orbit around the orca. High orbital (the tighter the better against close range ships) can reduce damage substantially and make your tank go a lot longer.

Now, I can't even fly a retriever so take this advice with a grain of salt.

Read about gun mechanics to see how this affects damage, but you should never stand still and traveling in a straight line is no better.

If you are in a belt, orbit something.


I just bumped my own because I want to know if this is legit for miners.

I'm sure you could protect against tornados like this, but I'm curious if anyone has done the orbital math for miners.

I'm assuming the gank is being delivered in destroyers. Can you orbit fast enough to mitigate a standard gank dessie?

Op, please search forums for "welcome to pvp, v2". It's a tutorial I wrote about pvp. In it, I explain maneuver tactics for minimizing or increasing damage transfer. Whether you can do much good between a hulk and Dessie or not, it is stuff I think you would benefit from knowing.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#57 - 2015-05-22 11:51:09 UTC
I dunno Mo, most barges move painfully slow to start with and don't carry a great deal of powergrid for sporting prop mods. Even when fitted, the effect seemed more or less minimal from my experience. They also accelerate slowly as well.

Reducing their top speed so as to make them align faster would be a more intuitive approach, as with the possible exception of the skiff and procurer they're really unlikely to be able to soak the punishing dps of a gank catalyst, or worse two of them.

The absolute best defense for them is to simply not be on grid anymore when the gank squad lands.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Revis Owen
Krigmakt Elite
Safety.
#58 - 2015-05-22 12:29:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Revis Owen
Leto Thule wrote:
Revis, Jonah is one of the good guys, and a C&P regular.

OP asked good questions and isn't crying.

And Omar is a mission flipper/bear exploder.

You are locking up the wrong targets, mate.


I totally agree with the first three sentences.

My advice to OP to add Code permit tank is valid given what I am, a New Order agent.

My other responses have been just that: responses to comments about what I said or the New Order. And my responses have been correct per who I am, a New Order agent.

If you wish to determine who is locking up whom, it would be the comment initiator, not the responder, mate. :)

I agree with you. Some of them have been locking up the wrong target. :)

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Jaxi Wreckful
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#59 - 2015-05-22 13:03:15 UTC
Honestly OP the age of the Mackinaw/Hulks in High-Sec are over. If it's not the suicide gankers who find you then the miners in your system will make sure they do. It's not really a matter of if you can get away with it but more-so how long. The ROI on a non-Skiff exhumer is just not worth it when you factor in losses.

The only reason I'd say try this out is if you actually enjoy the "thrill" of evading ganks. Otherwise you will lose these ships at some point. Good on you for the innovative idea though.
Revis Owen
Krigmakt Elite
Safety.
#60 - 2015-05-22 13:13:56 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

I was referring to you in particular, not the New Order in general.


As long as I'm adhering to New Order doctrine, there is no distinction.

Everyone in James 315's territory (highsec) is our demographic, and our targets are those without permits or not following the Code. The OP falls squarely within our target demographic.

That is consistent with doctrine. If you have a beef with that, you have a beef with the New Order, not me individually.

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