Player Features and Ideas Discussion

From the perspective of a T2 manufacturer, I'm a bit worried about this move towards faction mods having considerably higher bonuses than the T2 variant.

Given the relative ease of obtaining faction mods via faction warfare LP stores, I can't see anyone preferring the T2 over the faction.

Would it not be better to have faction mods share the best bonus with the T2, and have better fitting and lower drawbacks, to prevent them being better in literally every way.

yep. 5-15% increase in overall performance for between 40 and 200 times the price is unlikely to create straight obsolescence.

Please get rid of the need for tags to make items in the LP store and up the LP amount required to offset it.

Also, nerfing armor!?

Faction modules are actually a very unpopular item to obtain from the FW LP stores. They require an insane number of tags to purchase. Faction plate prices will go through the roof as the supply won't be able to meet the demand because the tags are going to be a MAJOR bottleneck. I think T2 plates will still have a solid place for the price conscious (ie anything other than T3's or pirate/faction BS).

The changes aren't bad, but it's a wasted opportunity. This was a chance to fix the meta of fitting oversized plates/extenders.

1600mm Plates are used for cruiser, battlecruiser and battleships.
Large Shield Extenders are used for cruiser, battlecruiser and battleships.

That's 3 size classes of ship that primarily use the same size buffer module. Only on select cruisers is it ever acceptable to use a 800mm Plate, and it's nearly never acceptable to use the Medium Shield Extender on a cruiser.

100mm Plates will still be practically useless. You may sometimes see a SSE used on a frigate but that won't stop the meta of them generally fitting MSE.

A good tiericide would have it so ships tend to fit buffer modules like this:
Frigates - 100-200mm plates / small extender
Destroyers - 200-400mm platers / small-medium extender
Cruisers - 400-800mm plates / medium extender
Battlecruisers - 800-1600mm plates / medium-large extender
Battleships - 1600mm plates / large extender

One of the positive results of this is the relative tank you'd get out of a battleship or tanked battlecruiser when compared to lower class ships would be better than it is today, providing more reason to use them.


There is no reason to use a T2 damage mod except for price. If your ship and fit is already expensive, you always use faction. The same will be the case with plates and extenders.

Balancing modules just by price is a bad idea. For one you have to constantly adjust the drop rates and materials consumed to ensure the price differences are roughly as intended, which then steps on the idea of a player-driven market. Worse though is there isn't any smart, meaningful choice as it applies to your ship. The choice is entirely based on your wallet. The choice to use one mod over another should also include how it affects the ship.

Faction damage mods should use more CPU for example. These plates and extenders with more EHP should also be harder to fit or they should have increased mass/sig penalties.

Perhaps, but look at how underused battleships are in general today. More tank wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing for them.

Yes but we DO have XL boosters.

Lets go ahead and continue the trend of shield modules being oversized all the time since it seems to be pretty unique to them. Just make sure that the costs are on par with the boosters, maybe a cap regen penalty?

Like what if you only needed one 1600mm plate to be fitted to a Abaddon to give it all the HP it needs, but it also uses more PG than a LAR and has a small cap penalty to make up for being passive?

Something to that effect. Since you'll have less slots devoted to spamming more plates/SEs then maybe fitting a cap recharger or power relay the counteract the penalty would make sense?

Can take or leave that last bit, point is, balance them so that only 1 plate or SE should be all you need and that while dual plates and SEs could be possible, will be hard to work with because of shear fitting needs, similarly to boosters and reppers.

800 and 1600 plates (besides the imperial navy/fed navy versions) got a serious nerf here.

3 cpu increase on the 1600 plate is a HUGE nerf to Amarr fitting.

Let me be clear, I'm not saying there shouldn't be a small drawback/sacrifice to fitting 1600 plates -- there should be some drawback to fitting 1600 plates. However, this is exactly my point -- there already is a significant drawback to putting 1600 plates on Amarr ships.

Before this nerf (cpu increase) every Amarr ship I can think of worth fitting has to sacrifice some modules (either damage control, web, cap booster, point) to fit on decent plates. The CPU on Amarr ships is that tight -- fine.

But this takes it too far. Adding CPU to 800/1600 plates is going to require some serious fitting changes and will really hurt a ships combat capabilities. I honestly think it will not just require downgrading a damage control or an ewar module, but even forcing some Amarr ships to use CPU rigs.

This is too much.

Please consider this CCP, 3 CPU is nothing to laugh at for Amarr ships.

Regolith shield extender is now better in all classes compared to azeotropic.

A TINY sig radius difference is not enough of a reason why anyone would want to fit zeotropic over regolith.



This should be changed. Regolith is lower powergrid, azeotropic is lower CPU requirement. now its meaningful.

To be fair, there should be a 3rd option, for lower sig radius penalty, but it will not be popular.

I always imagined that you would address the use oversized tanking modules with tiericide. It is disappointing that this confusion will remain.

Also, you must really like the kiting meta to be nerfing plates. Could we see some usage stats?