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So, what do you guys think about kill boards?

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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#21 - 2015-05-12 13:18:36 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
KB are actually totally underpowered. The limited ability to sort or gather info from the current popular kbs is mostly non-existant.


It looks like you're really enjoying small gang with cancer tactics (in a positive way), commonly got between 1-5 people flying with you and are mostly active during the western us tz (wild guess). According to KB, your average gang size is about 3-4 guys, you are able to switch into a dreadnought, and you're potentially a whole lot better at flying your ship than the average bonehead I encounter hugging the hole with logistics and falcon. In case you were baiting I'd assume there are combat/force recons around I don't see.

Is that is underpowered information, I don't know. If I were to fight you, I#d probably try to get people into nados and volley through your shields, looks like the best bet to deal with that <.<
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#22 - 2015-05-12 19:26:01 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
KB are actually totally underpowered. The limited ability to sort or gather info from the current popular kbs is mostly non-existant.


It looks like you're really enjoying small gang with cancer tactics (in a positive way), commonly got between 1-5 people flying with you and are mostly active during the western us tz (wild guess). According to KB, your average gang size is about 3-4 guys, you are able to switch into a dreadnought, and you're potentially a whole lot better at flying your ship than the average bonehead I encounter hugging the hole with logistics and falcon. In case you were baiting I'd assume there are combat/force recons around I don't see.

Is that is underpowered information, I don't know. If I were to fight you, I#d probably try to get people into nados and volley through your shields, looks like the best bet to deal with that <.<



I didn't say it couldn't be done. I said it should be 2 or 3 clicks not a science project.

You're one of those snipperdoodles that takes a part you want to comment on, deletes the rest.

Here's the important part of my post:

This would make a kb both OP and useful. There really isn't a kb out there right now that gives quick clicking to relevant data. Honestly, when I'm looking up a pilot / group I've just encountered I could give a ratsassamatass about their isk efficiency or their all time standing against every other kb whorecorp in eve. I just want to get a quick image of how big their gang might be and what they might be flying.

I'm not sure what cancer tactics are, but I'm sure I've been accurately accused of worse in my eve history. Here's the MO. We scan a chain and fight anything we can, gank anything we can and disrupt anything we can. We go afk a lot. We giggle like 8 year olds a lot. We make fun of each other. I've been known to hold a static open for 6 hours to miss a carrier and I've whelped 2 vindi fleets on rorqs and killed none. On the other hand a few weeks back we sat quietly on a null hole while one of our guys pretty much solo'd an entire alliance that thought trickling in series to the top belt in t1 cruiser/bc was a good approach to engaging a rattlesnake. If any or all of this is cancer, then guilty as charged.

For me wh cancer is: >5 proteus + >3 armor web loki + >3 armor jamgus + >6 guardians = wh cancer. Quite a few guys love that fleet. I think we're both right.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#23 - 2015-05-12 21:41:35 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
KB are actually totally underpowered. The limited ability to sort or gather info from the current popular kbs is mostly non-existant.


It looks like you're really enjoying small gang with cancer tactics (in a positive way), commonly got between 1-5 people flying with you and are mostly active during the western us tz (wild guess). According to KB, your average gang size is about 3-4 guys, you are able to switch into a dreadnought, and you're potentially a whole lot better at flying your ship than the average bonehead I encounter hugging the hole with logistics and falcon. In case you were baiting I'd assume there are combat/force recons around I don't see.

Is that is underpowered information, I don't know. If I were to fight you, I#d probably try to get people into nados and volley through your shields, looks like the best bet to deal with that <.<



I didn't say it couldn't be done. I said it should be 2 or 3 clicks not a science project.

You're one of those snipperdoodles that takes a part you want to comment on, deletes the rest.

Here's the important part of my post:

This would make a kb both OP and useful. There really isn't a kb out there right now that gives quick clicking to relevant data. Honestly, when I'm looking up a pilot / group I've just encountered I could give a ratsassamatass about their isk efficiency or their all time standing against every other kb whorecorp in eve. I just want to get a quick image of how big their gang might be and what they might be flying.

I'm not sure what cancer tactics are, but I'm sure I've been accurately accused of worse in my eve history. Here's the MO. We scan a chain and fight anything we can, gank anything we can and disrupt anything we can. We go afk a lot. We giggle like 8 year olds a lot. We make fun of each other. I've been known to hold a static open for 6 hours to miss a carrier and I've whelped 2 vindi fleets on rorqs and killed none. On the other hand a few weeks back we sat quietly on a null hole while one of our guys pretty much solo'd an entire alliance that thought trickling in series to the top belt in t1 cruiser/bc was a good approach to engaging a rattlesnake. If any or all of this is cancer, then guilty as charged.

For me wh cancer is: >5 proteus + >3 armor web loki + >3 armor jamgus + >6 guardians = wh cancer. Quite a few guys love that fleet. I think we're both right.


That stuff is the intel from copying your name and pasting it to zkill (killpages 1+2), a check on your last sleip+cerb losses and then once pasted to plh for any older stuff. It took about two minutes, okay. I didn't quote your hole post since it was just above anyways, nad if you require [...] [...] around the citation, I can do that aswell. I only wanted to do a wild guess from a look at your first pages, and the stuff I wrote down is what it appeared like. You see a scout labeled [x], check out the KB and frequently got a very good idea of how many people might be up to things at certain times. Beyond that, preparing a little and watchlisting ten of them you saw appearing on a KB should then really give a clear picture.

The tactics comment was going towards orthrus/sleips and other top-choices for a very small gang. So no it was far from meant as an insult. It's quite the opposite of 3 cloaky proteus, a falcon, a devoter and guardians I'm used to. Not saying I wouldn't die to the armorgang, but the shieldgang is a lot more intimidating on that scale.

Back to the point, it most certainly kb-intel isn'T just two clicks. But the effort is well manageable. Even if you then watchlist them or their most active, it's not complicated just a bunch of clicks.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#24 - 2015-05-13 10:36:27 UTC
I think we pretty much agree on a lot of stuffs. I would just like kb to move away from "look how awesome I am" to be more user focussed. If I had my way, it would be 2 clicks to what I want and 2 minutes and a few copt/paste operations to determine the isk efficiency of LittleSallyRottencrotch. There is data that would be nice right now and there is data worthy of a science project. I've been saying the kb have it upside down for quite a few years.

KB programmer folks - here me now!!!

I want an couple of graphs.

1. Activity over time for a pilot / corp / alliance. (make this both over the last week / month / year and a breakdown of daily activity periods). (that's two different activity graphs to choose from)
2. Average gang size (again give me a couple of time options - day / month / year).

I want a couple of charts.

1. What the guy flies - ships on the left and percentage of time flown on the right would be fine.
2. Where his explosions occur - HS (Jita undock hero), LowSex (FW, ebil piwate), Null (Rainbow Princess Land), WH
Maybe parse this one by sec status or actual system/region (go nuts with 2 or 3 options)

PROTIP: If you're choosing between useful functionality and some edgy spalsh art - make it useful not pretty! You make a good solid useful KB and folks will use it.
Apex Bex
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#25 - 2015-05-15 02:13:19 UTC
I was watching a Twitch live stream of a Wingspan TT pilot yesterday. He was in a C2 with several friends and a Mining barge turned up in an ore site to mine. I witnessed in horror as they used kill board exploits to form a kill/loss history on the pilot in question, determining that he was not what he appeared to be, was most likely part of a trap and despite being able to disengage at will, chose not to engage him at all.

This is a blight on our great game and must be removed immediately!

#TINFOILHAT

Disciple of Bob
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#26 - 2015-05-15 14:10:38 UTC
Apex Bex wrote:
I was watching a Twitch live stream of a Wingspan TT pilot yesterday. He was in a C2 with several friends and a Mining barge turned up in an ore site to mine. I witnessed in horror as they used kill board exploits to form a kill/loss history on the pilot in question, determining that he was not what he appeared to be, was most likely part of a trap and despite being able to disengage at will, chose not to engage him at all.

This is a blight on our great game and must be removed immediately!

#TINFOILHAT



I hope you are referring to wingspan crapping out instead of engaging and not the ability to sort through kb data. You can't remove the will to not engage. Ugh

Barges are tasty. Bait Barges are also tasty. Both should be consumed.

Bait Barg (yum) https://zkillboard.com/kill/46625012/


As for wingspan and others... you just need the right bait. With proper makeup and a little play acting even they can be pulled in. For them I would recommend Astero Bait in a relic site. https://zkillboard.com/kill/46529811/

The whole 'wingspan incident' started with this https://zkillboard.com/kill/46529497/

They seem like decent guys and they sent billy a reasonably commical mail concerning the whole thing. They seem alright to me. They wonked our guy. We responded w/ bait. They took it. Explosions happened. If I recall... they may or may not have had at least one bomber still in system they could have added to the fight, but then again he could have been taking out the trash, walking the dog or putting bunion creme on Bane's foot. I try my best not to judge too much.
Araikas Rhal
Hair-Trigger
#27 - 2015-05-18 11:38:10 UTC
Apex Bex wrote:
FNPD wrote:
The difference in a killboard and a watchlist is someone had to VOLUNTEER to provide that intel to the killboard. Either you OR THE VICTIM has the ability to advertise what has happened to them.

A watchlist is involuntary information that makes zero sense. You could argue in known space that maybe if you are linked to a local you could see if someone is online, but in w-space a watch list is free intel that make ZERO sense from a RP standpoint or from the standpoint of a game that intel has to be earned in some way. If you say knowing that someone online is not intel, that is also a lie, it is intelligence that you should have to earn by either physically seeing them or through local channels.


Yo dude, I think you're lost. This isn't about watch lists, k?

Way to derail my thread, man.

But hey, since we're talking about RP, how many times in your real life have you logged off to avoid a fight?


Totally asking for a friend. Does curling up into a ball and whimpering count as logging off IRL?

I played other games in my past life. I must have done something wrong to be re-incarnated as an Eve player.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#28 - 2015-05-18 14:55:14 UTC
Wingspans highsec camping stratios/falcon/manticore fleet is known for shitting their pants 23/7.
Alundil
Rolled Out
#29 - 2015-05-18 15:26:29 UTC
Apex Bex wrote:
FNPD wrote:
The difference in a killboard and a watchlist is someone had to VOLUNTEER to provide that intel to the killboard. Either you OR THE VICTIM has the ability to advertise what has happened to them.

A watchlist is involuntary information that makes zero sense. You could argue in known space that maybe if you are linked to a local you could see if someone is online, but in w-space a watch list is free intel that make ZERO sense from a RP standpoint or from the standpoint of a game that intel has to be earned in some way. If you say knowing that someone online is not intel, that is also a lie, it is intelligence that you should have to earn by either physically seeing them or through local channels.


Yo dude, I think you're lost. This isn't about watch lists, k?

Way to derail my thread, man.

But hey, since we're talking about RP, how many times in your real life have you logged off to avoid a fight?

You big meanie

Your hurtful insinuations killed FNPD

I'm right behind you
Apex Bex
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#30 - 2015-05-19 03:36:47 UTC
Alundil wrote:
Apex Bex wrote:
FNPD wrote:
The difference in a killboard and a watchlist is someone had to VOLUNTEER to provide that intel to the killboard. Either you OR THE VICTIM has the ability to advertise what has happened to them.

A watchlist is involuntary information that makes zero sense. You could argue in known space that maybe if you are linked to a local you could see if someone is online, but in w-space a watch list is free intel that make ZERO sense from a RP standpoint or from the standpoint of a game that intel has to be earned in some way. If you say knowing that someone online is not intel, that is also a lie, it is intelligence that you should have to earn by either physically seeing them or through local channels.


Yo dude, I think you're lost. This isn't about watch lists, k?

Way to derail my thread, man.

But hey, since we're talking about RP, how many times in your real life have you logged off to avoid a fight?

You big meanie

Your hurtful insinuations killed FNPD


He sure showed me.

Disciple of Bob
Chance Ravinne
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
WiNGSPAN Delivery Network
#31 - 2015-05-21 03:18:25 UTC
Really interesting topic -- in a lot of ways I think there are some parallels here between killboards and other metagame intel sources.

Of course, you'd be a fool not to use them while they're at your disposal!

Ultimately there's no way to seriously change killboards. I'd imagine if CREST verification were removed, the most organized PVP groups would be able to maintain some manner of database to track information. So in essence they'd have their own killboards, and the EVE subreddit would be out easily linked content.

Chin up, OP! As a fellow kb user I get where you're coming from, but without a way to stop people from screenshotting, recording, or otherwise whoring out their EVE experiences to the masses, we can't do much about it.

You've just read another awesome post by Chance Ravinne, CEO of EVE's #1 torpedo delivery service. Watch our misadventures on my YouTube channel: WINGSPANTT
HTC NecoSino
Suddenly Carebears
#32 - 2015-05-21 12:48:07 UTC
Chance Ravinne wrote:
while they're at your disposal


Quoted for TinFoil.
Alundil
Rolled Out
#33 - 2015-05-21 18:27:31 UTC
Chance Ravinne wrote:
Really interesting topic -- in a lot of ways I think there are some parallels here between killboards and other metagame intel sources.

Of course, you'd be a fool not to use them while they're at your disposal!

Ultimately there's no way to seriously change killboards. I'd imagine if CREST verification were removed, the most organized PVP groups would be able to maintain some manner of database to track information. So in essence they'd have their own killboards, and the EVE subreddit would be out easily linked content.

Chin up, OP! As a fellow kb user I get where you're coming from, but without a way to stop people from screenshotting, recording, or otherwise whoring out their EVE experiences to the masses, we can't do much about it.

Honestly don't know what you, and OP, are on about.

Killboards are really not all that great for 'Intel' because if that's your main form of intel gathering prepare to be surprised, disappointed or both against the competent groups.

I'm right behind you
CivilWars
Half Empty
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#34 - 2015-05-21 18:57:12 UTC
How would we all measure our e-peens if there were no killboards?

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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#35 - 2015-05-21 19:05:29 UTC
CivilWars wrote:
How would we all measure our e-peens if there were no killboards?


We'd need to become terribly active filmmakers filling up Turbo's wh-pvp-video thread. Best Camera award replaces the *ISK killed in K-space*-column.
Iyokus Patrouette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2015-05-22 00:10:51 UTC
Hey look, Civil and Lloyd are like that cute couple that dress the same.

---- Advocate for the initiation of purple coloured wormholes----

Civ Kado
State War Academy
Caldari State
#37 - 2015-05-22 00:28:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Civ Kado
Alundil wrote:
Chance Ravinne wrote:
Really interesting topic -- in a lot of ways I think there are some parallels here between killboards and other metagame intel sources.

Of course, you'd be a fool not to use them while they're at your disposal!

Ultimately there's no way to seriously change killboards. I'd imagine if CREST verification were removed, the most organized PVP groups would be able to maintain some manner of database to track information. So in essence they'd have their own killboards, and the EVE subreddit would be out easily linked content.

Chin up, OP! As a fellow kb user I get where you're coming from, but without a way to stop people from screenshotting, recording, or otherwise whoring out their EVE experiences to the masses, we can't do much about it.

Honestly don't know what you, and OP, are on about.

Killboards are really not all that great for 'Intel' because if that's your main form of intel gathering prepare to be surprised, disappointed or both against the competent groups.

I think you're missing the point. KBs are used to advise yourself on what possible fits, and company (if any) the other players could be flying with. It's not meant to be the end-all and be-all of intel gathering, but it is one more source that will possibly put you an edge above the other player if you see what fits and people he flies with.

Are they a 100% prediction of what the other person is flying? no, but you can't deny that it gives you an edge.

as for the topic, it's a difficult topic to have an opinion on. I can see good points from both sides.
GordonO
BURN EDEN
#38 - 2015-05-22 01:41:43 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
You would say that



Based on this I would say it isn't used much as an intel source..

... What next ??
Anthar Thebess
#39 - 2015-05-25 10:45:17 UTC
I don't live in a wormhole, but as long you can get any informations from there using out of game methods that something is broken.

This include Kills, and all api information for structures.

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