EVE General Discussion

But he is right. EVE is not a PVP game, it's a sandbox with PVP aspects, just like he said. You want a full pvp game? Go play CS:GO.

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Which is a perfectly fine definition of PvP, but broader in scope than what I meant.

When I say "Eve is not a PvP game" I mean spaceship combat pewpew lazors and explosions. If you look at page 3 of that very same document you linked, you'll see a list of "What can I do in Eve?" which weirdly enough has more than just "PvP" listed.

The "interact with real people" part of the game is unavoidable on the most basic of levels. Further being in the same corp was never a prerequisite of higher levels of interaction in the vast majority of cases. Any position justified by this gross misunderstanding of interaction is equally flawed.

Also the risk of wardec is not equivalent to the risk of conflict. There is no cake here to have because undocking puts you at risk of conflict in space. There is NO way to turn that off.

So now that we've established that interaction is not corp dependent and furthermore conflict is not able to be removed we can see that alternative social constructs don't hold any harm. This imagined harm from people actually being able to for NPC corp subgroups essentially does not actually exist.

Also no, the ability to adapt to a wardec is not the same as avoidance. It's not a matter of ignorance, but a matter of knowledge. The defender has to alter their activity to either counter or avoid their aggressors, the evader continues as normal. It's the ignorance of that simple fact that leaves people thinking others avoid wars from simply not knowing what to do. It's like you can't fathom that for some wars are undesired and thus getting out of them is preferential to dealing with them competently or not.

Problem is we have ways around wardecs at the player level, thus defanging the mechanic for a number of people.

I'm in favor of any non-corp solutions for social interactions. As long as these groups can't have collectively owned or in space assets, and can be joined in addition to being in a traditional corporation/alliance we're good.

Feyd, I realize this is a sore subject, but what is being asked for is the ability to organize players in a group regardless of what corporations they may be in. This does not affect the ability to wardec real corporations, and most importantly, has no affect on game mechanics except communication between players. If this turns out to affect anything other than communication in any way, I will join in the **** storm.

Ironically I think this would be a buff to wardec corps. Fewer groups running around that don't have in space assets means its easier to find the ones that do and target them.

A lot of the issues that are being discussed are a result of assuming and thinking that your "vision" is CCP's vision.

Clearly stating your words so that backpedaling does not need to be done is a necessity, especially if people regard you as a representative.

"You know what I meant" is not acceptable. Yes I did, but plenty do not understand the difference.

You want to know where interaction without being in a corp was most prevailant?

The most epic (read: unplanned and unannounced) live events of 2010 - 2011. People who were never in fleets before were participating. FC0RD was such a fleet but it was run by experienced FCs. That last live event where people got let into a nullsec death camp for example, FC0RD got through that and reached the objective site.

I fully understand that mate. I have the same with some players in Eve. I am still wondering how I can war dec a NPSI group.

Ps. Your posts make the CSM look bad. Please try to be civil with your posts.

Holding hands and kissing babies isn't in the job description.

Neither is being an ass. Some just choose to go that extra mile.