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No joke.. Major Iceland strike. (ccp's labor union striking)

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Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-05-21 05:15:06 UTC
Seriously.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/36ozvs/rip_ccp_going_on_a_strike/
http://icelandreview.com/news/2015/05/06/strikes-may-reach-70000-workers-iceland
https://twitter.com/CCP_karkur/status/601034496058720256
https://twitter.com/CCP_Punkturis/status/601041203522629632

Um uhh oh....
Guess that skins blog will be delayed a tad.

But for real... Wtf does this mean?

Will there be like extended downtime?
I dont understand unions/labor rules.
What is happening?
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2015-05-21 05:17:06 UTC
It means the next expansion will be 99% SKINs, because they are practically ready to go.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#3 - 2015-05-21 05:18:21 UTC
Thread has been moved to Out of Pod Experience.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Midgard Academy
#4 - 2015-05-21 05:28:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Obsidian Hawk
Where can we protest the unions?

//mad

Why Can't I have a picture signature.

Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.

Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2015-05-21 06:46:29 UTC
I empathize with people affected by this, but that doesn't mean I feel sorry for anyone.

I was 24, had just been married not two months prior, working full-time as a field maintenance tech for the largest construction equipment rental company in the US. My location was the largest in the western region of the country, and second largest in the company. Pay was great, not more than the average for someone in that job, and it was the perfect follow-up of my job in the Air Force... heavy equipment mechanic, mostly construction stuff... so diesel, electrical-over-hydraulics, and a smattering of gas engines for our fleet trucks and such. $24 / hour and no less than 70 hours a week.

Then I got laid off, no warning. Yes, this was 2008.

I lost my apartment, my car, and my will to lift a finger. It was eventually the reason I decided to join the Army. It brought in a paycheck but I lost my marriage, which was ironic because that was the main thing I wanted to keep out of the ordeal.

To make matters dead serious, I saw my third deployment to the Middle East in that enlistement, and it was too tragic even for country songs.

So. About employment, and the issue of income instability. If you found yourself laid off from a company like CCP, in a country like Iceland, in an industry such as video game development, do you stop and question your life decisions at that point? Can you honestly say you don't see where it went wrong?

Decide to work in video games, because that's a great idea.
Take out student loans to get an education in video games, because that's a great idea.
Work on a game like EVE, because it has so much mass appeal.
Move to Iceland, which is great for networking and the global capital of innovation.

But nevermind all that. I hope devs take this time to play EVE and get a feel for it again. Embrace the clunkiness.

Honest, I'm not saying this just to be vicious. It's just exactly what I'm thinking.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#6 - 2015-05-21 07:13:46 UTC
Do they have monument to shoot at? Pirate
Falken Falcon
#7 - 2015-05-21 08:38:59 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Do they have monument to shoot at? Pirate

Yes they do! They built it just last year Pirate

Aye, Sea Turtles

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#8 - 2015-05-21 13:43:46 UTC
So Unions in Iceland want to call a general strike so the minimum wage is 3x what is called a good (but nigh impossible to obtain and keep) salary in Spain, compared to earning it just 2.2 times each month.

Perspective does funny things to worker solidarity... What?

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you

Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#9 - 2015-05-21 14:57:53 UTC
heh, indeed, here the min wages are 562€ net.
Iam The Flash
Doomheim
#10 - 2015-05-21 16:12:36 UTC
And this is diffrent from normal Gm responce times or CCP's general lazyness how?

I doubt we'll notice a diffrence m8

SERIOUSLY?!"!>?"!?"!>">
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#11 - 2015-05-21 16:21:26 UTC
Black Panpher
CastleKickers
Rote Kapelle
#12 - 2015-05-21 20:12:28 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
I lost my apartment, my car, and my will to lift a finger. It was eventually the reason I decided to join the Army. It brought in a paycheck but I lost my marriage, which was ironic because that was the main thing I wanted to keep out of the ordeal.

To make matters dead serious, I saw my third deployment to the Middle East in that enlistement, and it was too tragic even for country songs.


MURICA! Roll
Marcus Gord
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2015-05-21 21:39:16 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
So Unions in Iceland want to call a general strike so the minimum wage is 3x what is called a good (but nigh impossible to obtain and keep) salary in Spain, compared to earning it just 2.2 times each month.

Perspective does funny things to worker solidarity... What?


gotta think of cost of living too.

ccp has it's own cafeteria to provide food to employees because iceland is expensive to live in.

In a few moments you will have an experience that will seem completely real. It will be the result of your subconscious fears transformed to your conscious awareness.

http://i.imgur.com/LM2NKUf.png

Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2015-05-21 21:57:29 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
So Unions in Iceland want to call a general strike so the minimum wage is 3x what is called a good (but nigh impossible to obtain and keep) salary in Spain, compared to earning it just 2.2 times each month.

Perspective does funny things to worker solidarity... What?


Why is it odd that Iceland workers want more but not Spain working not doing what is needed to get more? Do you think Iceland should give money to Spain because it got's itself into a hole?
Robby Altair
#15 - 2015-05-21 22:20:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Robby Altair
Strike. Strike. Strike! Ah,... where's the sabotage?

Twisted

Room 3420 Boelter Hall UCLA

stoicfaux
#16 - 2015-05-21 22:33:28 UTC
Black Panpher wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
I lost my apartment, my car, and my will to lift a finger. It was eventually the reason I decided to join the Army. It brought in a paycheck but I lost my marriage, which was ironic because that was the main thing I wanted to keep out of the ordeal.

To make matters dead serious, I saw my third deployment to the Middle East in that enlistement, and it was too tragic even for country songs.


MURICA! Roll

Yeah, we don't need no socialistic commie pinko lefty unions. Us folks in IT here in the US are just fi......... Doh!

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2015-05-22 02:15:27 UTC
I hope people can appreciate that I felt like **** for a while after posting my story, in fact the rest of the evening. It is not pleasant to put myself back in those shoes.

There was the slow-burn, constant possibility of death, but there was one situation right at the end when odds were I was going to die. I have never been more pissed off at myself for the long string of decisions that placed me there. "Of all the places in the world to be..."

If I wanted to stay a mechanic, what I should have done was stayed in close contact with several people throughout the industry, just in case. I'm glad I didn't know that at the time, because being a mechanic more or less sucks.

This is the same thing, imo. Remote, austere conditions, union turmoil, layoffs for non-union... according to a dev tweet, it snowed yesterday. Holy **** are there any good reasons for being there? I was stationed in North Dakota for 1.5 years, and two winters. I know how much of a drain snowy and cold weather can be.
Mithandra
B.O.P Supplication For Glorious
Dracarys.
#18 - 2015-05-22 11:17:27 UTC
Server Hamsters have a union???

Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community

Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#19 - 2015-05-23 01:27:38 UTC
Pretty much sucks when you want to work, but can't, because the jobs aren't there. The **** cascade and recovery from it can and probably will go on for years. That 'American Dream' shite pisses me off. It creates fake expectations and illusions. Yeah, son of an honest air conditioner installer/maintenance expert, it's your stupid ass fault that you didn't get rich and don't live a Hollywood lifestyle. Bullshit on that.

Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#20 - 2015-05-23 07:01:47 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
I hope people can appreciate that I felt like **** for a while after posting my story, in fact the rest of the evening. It is not pleasant to put myself back in those shoes.

There was the slow-burn, constant possibility of death, but there was one situation right at the end when odds were I was going to die. I have never been more pissed off at myself for the long string of decisions that placed me there. "Of all the places in the world to be..."

If I wanted to stay a mechanic, what I should have done was stayed in close contact with several people throughout the industry, just in case. I'm glad I didn't know that at the time, because being a mechanic more or less sucks.

This is the same thing, imo. Remote, austere conditions, union turmoil, layoffs for non-union... according to a dev tweet, it snowed yesterday. Holy **** are there any good reasons for being there? I was stationed in North Dakota for 1.5 years, and two winters. I know how much of a drain snowy and cold weather can be.


I don't think its weather, rather inflation and country rebuilding from financial crysis. If minimal wages did not changed in a long time, they probably maximized competitiveness, now if wages will rise, it will be harder to export, easier to import things. As a capitalist not living in Iceland, I will cherish that situation. I think even 100% rises in minimal wages are too small, they need 200% rises. Cool
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