EVE New Citizens Q&A

Ummmm...

have you considered using Frigates? Cruisers are not exactly the "sneakiest" ships around. In fact... frigates can easily escape them if they are half aware of their surroundings.


With regards to the fit itself...

- if you are "frigate hunting" then go with Dual-180s or 220mm Autocannons. Both track (see: apply damage) better. Don't let bigger damage per second numbers fool you.
- Why is there no propulsion module? That thing NEEDS a Microwarpdrive to either close or pull range.
- the small armor repairs are not going to save you. At all.
- you have no resistance modules to mitigate incoming damage. That makes any repair unit you do fit less useful.


Here is the deal with ships in EVE...
- the bigger a ship is, the more character skills they require to be "good"
- the bigger a ship is, the more it specializes in a particular role and less it can deviate from that role.
- the bigger a ship is, the more "clumsy" it is.
- the bigger a ship is, the more it depends on support (see: other players) to draw out its full power.


All that said... I would instead ditch the Rupture (which is more of a brawler at heart than a "hunter-killer") and go for a Stabber...

[Stabber, Newbie PvP Hunter]
Damage Control I
Adaptive Nano Plating I
Adaptive Nano Plating I
Medium Armor Repairer I

Small Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Scrambler I
Stasis Webifier I

Expanded Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Dual 180mm AutoCannon I, EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon I, EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon I, EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon I, EMP M
Rocket Launcher I, Mjolnir Rocket

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
(empty rig)

Hobgoblin I x5

- (edit:) THIS IS A TEMPLATE... a "base fit" if you will... take the time to tinker with it and improve the modules as you improve in both player and character skills.
- No matter what, you are going to have CPU issues because of that probe launcher. You are just going to have to make do until your skills catch up with your ambitions... or you find someone else who likes to probe and can be your scout.
- The Stabber will probably fit your "kill and run" style better. It is faster and more nimble
- I left the third rig slot open for you. I would personally fit it with a damage rig... but that is just me.
- train the skill Thermodynamics as soon as possible. Overloading your weapons and modules for greater performance can make or break an engagement.

DPS and EHP numbers are not everything.

Let me put this into more colorful terms...

A car that has very high horsepower (dps) and high acceleration (ehp) is not always a superior car when it comes to handling (mobility and application).

While the Rupture CAN deal more DPS and does have slightly more tank... the larger guns have a harder time keeping up with high-mobility targets (and can be "defeated" through your own movement) and the speed/mobility of the ship is not all that great.



Pro-tip: In 6 years of PvPing I have encountered few, if any, engagements that have started exactly at "0" and even fewer that stayed at "0."

Even if you are straight out ganking, movement will always be a consideration.
This is especially the case if you are landing on someone. Again, if they are even half aware they will be trying to run as fast as possible... even if you do manage to lock them down (which is going to be hard considering that cruisers take double the time to lock a target compared to frigates).
And without an Afterburner or Microwarpdrive to dictate range you may end up losing your quarry... or worse... not be able to defend yourself against a hostile ship (hint: MWDs are almost mandatory for any escape scenario).

Plus, you do not want to be put in a place where you can't warp and need to GTFO fast (see: warp disruption bubbles).


I am really sorry to burst your bubble... but unless you can warp cloaked or use a special Tech 2 Recon Cruiser you are not being sneaky.

All ships have the ability to perform a cursory scan some 12-14 AU away. Hell... "professionals" can even see your probes on scan too if their overview is configured properly.


Also... that ECM is chance based and limited to one target at a time. Once you switch targets, the former target will be able to lock you again.
A MWD is MUCH more useful in that it can help you both grab a target and possibly escape hostiles better.

As for the double scram thing... yeah... that is a legitimate tactic. But know that anyone who fits warp core stabilizers has effectively "crippled" their ship. So any ship that is going to fight you is almost never fit with such modules.


speed/mobility = greater safety

application of damage > higher damage numbers


Again... don't let pure stats seduce you. The "devil is in the details."
This is why many, many veterans recommend that newbies start PvPing in frigates. Not only are they cheaper, but they also teach you the basics on how to survive... especially against bigger ships (which have some inherent disadvantages against smaller ships).



edit: also... I plugged in your fit into EFT for giggles.

- the Stabber can maintain its repairs for longer (because of the capacitor booster). So while your Rupture can rep slightly more than my Stabber fit, your Rupture will only be able to maintain repairs for less than 1.5 minutes.

- even webbed, the speed difference is enough for the Stabber to literally "run away" from your Rupture. A frigate would have fewer issues doing so... especially if fitted with an AB and/or enough tank. Once outside of scram range, the Stabber can literally dictate the terms of the engagement.

- please drop the ECM. It only has a 20% chance of jamming the Stabber. ~50/50 against a frigate. And you can fit MUCH more useful modules.
If you insist on needing a GTFO card, look at EC-300 drones. Those things have some weird voodoo thing regarding probability coded into them.

- you are correct in that the Rupture has more impressive damage figures... but I would LOVE to see how effective they are when a frigate orbits you at 500m. For that, you need Dual-180s.

Also, your goal seems to be just scaring them away, rather than scoring kills.

Not sure it will work; if they refuse to leave or if they're not paying attention, you'll "apply" your Rupture and they'll just fly out of range (frigates are faster) and laugh at you. Then call their friends in and provide a warp-in for said friends, because why not, they're on grid with you and kiting you to convince you to stay put.

And if they do leave, now they know where you are and what you're flying, so they'll come back with an anti-cruiser platform.

So, never assume that your prey is alone, and always go for the kill because otherwise they just come back or bring friends to kill YOU.

My suggestion for Venture hunting would be the Slasher. That's because:

A. You already have Projectiles trained and DPS is not a priority versus Ventures.

B: The Slash has the highest Sig Res of any T1 ship in the game. That equals the fastest lock time.

C: It has the needed 4 mid slots for dual scram. You can even put a T1 cloak in the utility high for WH work, But don't forget to allow for the lock time cool down when you decloak.

Meta 0 is not "base level" it's garbage that is neither easier to fit nor or skill into than meta 1-4 modules, performs worse and is actually harder to fit. Meta 1-3 modules aren't even expensive and meta 4 are only rarely a little expensive.

By telling new players to fly around in uncompetitive piles of trash you aren't helping them, you are setting them up for failure and disappointment.

Meta 0 items have the advantage of clear names and cheapest prices.

It's easy enough to add a footnote to any Meta 0 fit that says "by the way, if you look at the Show Info page on all those modules I suggested, there's a Variations tab that lists better modules of the same kind; check the market to see if those are cheap and use the better variations instead, as they do more DPS / give more shields / whatever."

Azeotropic shield extenders, for example, are nice but pretty damn expensive. But they're called Azeotropic Ward Salubrity, which is way more confusing than "Shield Extender." In addition, when posting from work, I have no clue if the Subordinate Screen Stabilizer is better or worse than the Supplemental Barrier Emitter as far as stats, and I have no clue which is cheaper. One of them is easier to fit too, because of less CPU required. But which is which, no clue. So I'm going to forget about all of them and recommend the damn Medium Shield Extender I so the person knows what the heck I'm talking about.

Catalyst if you can warp-in right on top of them, Thrasher if you can get close but not right on top of them, fast frigate if they are orbiting with MWD on.

Ah, fair enough, although I would scout in an Astero/CovOps first, BM the closest thing I can then come back with the right ship. Not always easy in a WH, but has worked out well in the past for me, more success than failure.

Also, Ventures will most likely be at the Ore or Gas sites so there really isn't a need for the launcher to locate them, especially if you scout in a cloaky first.

Generally yes, but to shoot a Venture? I very much disagree.

Venture only has a single low slot, you won't ever need more than two scrams.